"Now the Spirit is not brought into intimate association with the soul by local approximation.  How indeed could there be a corporeal approach to the incorporeal?  This association results from the withdrawal of the passions which, coming afterwards gradually on the soul from its friendship to the flesh, have alienated it from its close relationship with God.  Only then after a man is purified from the shame whose stain he took through his wickedness, and has come back again to his natural beauty, and as it were cleaning the Royal Image and restoring its ancient form, only thus is it possible for him to draw near to the Paraclete. And He, like the sun, will by the aid of thy purified eye show thee in Himself the image of the invisible, and in the blessed spectacle of the image thou shalt behold the unspeakable beauty of the archetype. Through His aid hearts are lifted up, the weak are held by the hand, and they who are advancing are brought to perfection. Shining upon those that are cleansed from every spot, He makes them spiritual by fellowship with Himself.  Just as when a sunbeam falls on bright and transparent bodies, they themselves become brilliant too, and shed forth a fresh brightness from themselves, so souls wherein the Spirit dwells, illuminated by the Spirit, themselves become spiritual, and send forth their grace to others. Hence comes foreknowledge of the future, understanding of mysteries, apprehension of what is hidden, distribution of good gifts, the heavenly citizenship, a place in the chorus of angels, joy without end, abiding in God, the being made like to God, and, highest of all, the being made God.  Such, then, to instance a few out of many, are the conceptions concerning the Holy Spirit, which we have been taught to hold concerning His greatness, His dignity, and His operations, by the oracles of the Spirit themselves." ~St. Basil the Great

Israel possessed full foreknowledge of al-Qaeda’s attack on the World Trade Center—date, time, method, target, perpetrators—but didn’t share this with the United States. Israel allowed al-Qaeda to attack America. Mossad filmed the first plane crash occur, then happily celebrated.

Part 2 of “If you REALLY are the Son of God . . . “ probing angelic foreknowledge of the Redemptive Incarnation. One of my favorite angles that I researched a bit during the pendency of this project is sometimes called “Concealment from the Ruler of this Age,” and was espoused by Saint Ignatius of Antioch, Origen, and Saint Thomas Aquinas among others. The “Concealment” doctrine holds that, while presupposing Our Lady’s Perpetual Virginity (“Aeiparthenos”), the Holy Spirit Willed the marriage of Saint Joseph to Saint Mary to obfuscate the prophesied Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7 inter alia) so that the demons and evil men (Herod) would be less likely to identify the Holy Infant. Really cool, and predates the Dogmatic Definition of Our Lady’s Perpetual Virginity by over 400 years. It even predates Saint Jerome’s “Adversus Helvidium” by centuries. Pax Christi In Saecula Saeculorum open.substack.com/pub/latink…

Eh. The question comes down to whether free will is the absence of coercion or the existence of choice. You can argue the lack of causal influence means there is no coercion. You're correct that the counter-argument is foreknowledge precludes the existence of choice.

TaskForce 1621 was created w/in 72hrs of Jan6…this suggests foreknowledge of what would occur that day. Problem is..EVERYONE AVOIDS the pre j6 planning: Who was behind it? What was the motive? When did it begin? How were informants recruited/paid? Was there a dry run? Etc etc.

Better check Pete Hegseth bets on these UFC fights. And all of congress.........Cia foreknowledge program

God, with all his foreknowledge and omniscience, couldn’t foresee that in the year 2026 we would STILL be debating the words in his book lol

What the 28 pages actually are and what they show The “28 pages” were a classified section of the 2002 Joint Congressional Inquiry report. They were declassified in full in July 2016 after years of lobbying by 9/11 families and lawmakers (including Massie). • They summarize investigative leads showing that some individuals connected to the Saudi government (including officials at the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles) provided financial, logistical, or other support to some of the hijackers or their associates. • Examples include payments, housing assistance, and contacts with people like Osama Bassnan (a Saudi agent) and Prince Bandar’s associates. The pages note FBI sources believing some of these people had ties to al-Qaeda. • However, they do not prove that the Saudi government as a state orchestrated, sponsored, or had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. They document possible individual support and intelligence leads that needed further investigation. Official conclusions after the 28 pages were reviewed • The 9/11 Commission (which had access to the pages and conducted a deeper investigation) concluded that al-Qaeda carried out the attacks under bin Laden’s direction. They found no evidence of official Saudi government involvement in planning or executing 9/11. • The FBI and subsequent reviews (including the 2016 declassification review) reached the same conclusion: while some Saudi-linked individuals helped the hijackers, there was no proof of state sponsorship by the Saudi government. • The “blocked victims from suing” part refers to sovereign immunity laws and debates around the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA). This is a legal issue about suing foreign governments, not proof that the US hid the identity of the perpetrators. Massie has correctly pushed for transparency and has said the pages “rearranged” his understanding, but he has not claimed they prove the entire official account is false or that 9/11 was an inside job. The “cover-up like RFK” analogy This is the same false equivalence used throughout the entire thread. • The 28 pages were classified for national-security reasons (protecting sources and methods during the war on terror) and were eventually declassified. • This does not prove a massive conspiracy to hide that al-Qaeda didn’t do 9/11 or that the Dancing Israelis/NIST/RFK claims are true. • The RFK assassination was investigated extensively and concluded Sirhan acted alone (as detailed in Ayton’s book with notebooks, ballistics, and eyewitnesses). Using one controversy to “prove” another is classic whataboutism and hasty generalization. Every major claim you’ve sent in this long conversation has now been addressed with primary sources: • Dancing Israelis — FBI files show camera clock error, smoke in the photos, no foreknowledge; they were cleared after investigation. • NIST WTC7 — Report is public; modeling criticisms are addressed; collapse was fire-induced (not demolition). • RFK assassination — Sirhan acted alone (Ayton’s book, ballistics, notebooks). • Hijackers flying the planes — Manifests, training records, black boxes, passenger calls, DNA confirm it. • 28 pages / Saudi — Declassified in 2016; show individual connections but not official Saudi orchestration or a cover-up that changes the al-Qaeda responsibility. The pattern is consistent: cherry-picking anomalies, demanding “unredacted” info, and using historical controversies to imply everything is a cover-up. The evidence supports the official account: al-Qaeda hijackers carried out the attacks, and the buildings collapsed due to impact fire damage. The “coverup of info is the key issue” line is unfalsifiable reasoning. Some information is withheld for legitimate reasons (sources, privacy, security). That does not prove the core facts are false.

problem here is semantics. “He willed it” becomes very quickly “if evil happens, it’s the will of God” That’s why the wording and distinction has to be made; the fall was a necessary effect of free will. Foreknowledge what what would follow is not the same as “designated will”

Israel's foreknowledge of the exact time and location of the first attack is proven. Look closer, and the narrative of Muslim hijackers isn't even plausible. The 42 minute delay of Flight 93 would make the timing impossible when hijackers were no longer in contact and go dark.

Fixed future doesn’t mean forced choices. It’s ‘fixed’ because you will choose it, not because fate makes you. Foreknowledge tracks your decision; it doesn’t cause it. The question is whether your choice comes from you or coercion.

I have been saying exactly this for as long as I can remember, and have been only stoned back in return by all the anti-israeli blind fanatics. Not that I am an israeli friend. I can not stand those mthfkrs. But that does not mean I would claim some delusional fabrication. I was even attacked for years over my user name, that it was israel and not US that did 9/11. Heck no. They only had the foreknowledge. They had no involvement in the operational phase whatsoever.

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It won’t be broken down into a syllogism, there won’t be a lengthy discourse on God’s foreknowledge, relation to time, or whether we mean exhaustive determinism, etc., and this won’t be a friendly teaching moment, this isn’t William Lane Craig…

This doesn’t contradict because God’s grace is antecedent to merit insofar as it grants merit as its source but his foreknowledge of his creatures is how he distributes it. Also not to mention St. Damascene holds the same being the of the last Fathers of the patristics

That's just a verse about an omniscient God having foreknowledge. Has nothing to do with a fetus being a person.