Erhan put out a series against us. That was the first shot. Paul Ibrahim made a response but we never put it out. Severan Zealot & Paul Ibrahim both respectively debated him. I co-modded both of those. I then debated Erhan & Craig 2 on 1, I previously had done one with Craig on R&T also. That was it for a long time. During this, I reached out to Qai to see if we can come to terms to stop attacking each other, he refused. After that, Sam had us come on his channel to make a series responding to their original series (finally) because they got at him for posting a picture with Mar Mari. After this, their side tried replying but after each of their episodes Agen replied, until finally his debate with Erhan a few months ago. Agen also previously had a debate with Craig, which I was an observer on. Then Craig made a video about us for no reason, followed by Cleave constantly spewing garbage unprovoked, we didn’t even know who he was or where he came from. We only put stuff out against them in reply to their nonsense. If they would leave us alone, we wouldn’t talk about them - summary of the last 7 years