'Moving welfare from hand outs to hand ups' is the kind of cheap rhetoric that could have come from the lips of any Tory.
Quite apart from being economically illiterate (government spends money into existence), it's the vapid, second-hand blather of the golf club bore.
Carns is asked where the extra £ for defence should come from.
".. I think there are places, such as moving welfare from hand outs to hand ups"
Describing welfare as hand outs tells us all about Carns politics & who he wants to target - the sick, disabled, low paid, pensioners