Like Justin Riggs
@ldsabuse, I’ve been interviewed by Emma Katherine Pietrzak
@TheEmmapreneur. But unlike Justin, Emma deleted my interview (aka evidence) and blocked and defamed me.
Emma’s husband, “Grey,” used Elizabeth Loftus as a bogus pretext to start an online smear campaign against me, and then justify his wife’s defamation and isolation of me — a protective parent who was married to a professor and former child-actor.
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Below are three questions & answers (Me & Grok) and a video that shows some of the ways I was trying to resolve contradictions between Elizabeth Loftus and Jennifer Freyd, among other things.
I know more about the combination of FMSF (Loftus, et al) and Parental Alienation (Gardner) than just about anyone...* which is why it’s so suspicious that Emma betrayed me, taking so many social media researchers with them.
*A fact that’s obvious when I’m interviewed, live.
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Question 1 (of 3): “It sounds like they’re going to have a debate or at least a contentious conversation. What link or article or video shows War Radio Show’s position regarding Elizabeth Loftus and specifically the ‘Lost in the Mall’ study?”
Answer 1 (Grok): Ward Radio Show’s relevant content centers on their March 2026 series about Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) accusations in the LDS Church and a follow-up livestream addressing controversy around it.
@wardradioshow
They do not appear to have a single video or post that directly names Elizabeth Loftus or specifically cites the “Lost in the Mall” study in publicly indexed titles, descriptions, or recent X posts. However, they explicitly discuss False Memory Syndrome (FMS) in direct connection to SRA claims. Loftus is the central researcher behind FMS concepts, and her “Lost in the Mall” experiment (1995) is the most famous study demonstrating how suggestive techniques can implant detailed false childhood memories. Discussions of FMS in this context almost always draw on or reference her work.
1a. Key Ward Radio Content
Here are the main pieces showing their position:
1. Jonah Barnes’ multi-part SRA series (launched late March 2026)
- Title examples: “Fact or Fiction: Satanic Ritual Abuse and the LDS Church” (multiple parts by Jonah Barnes).
- These examine historical and modern SRA accusations in the LDS context, including recovered memories, therapist influence, and comparisons to moral panics.
- Transcripts and descriptions reference false memories and “False memory syndrome” as factors in some allegations (e.g., one part includes a chapter/section on “False Memories and Their Impact”).
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Example videos:
- One part:
youtube.com/watch?v=SNDRDFo5…
- Another:
youtube.com/watch?v=seoBzqPP…
- Series playlist/context often tied to “Debunking the Glenn L. Pace Memo.”
- Position shown: They treat many SRA claims as potentially rooted in or exaggerated by false/suggested memories, especially those emerging from therapy, rather than literal widespread ritual abuse. They frame parts of it as “Satanic Panic” vs. verifiable fact.
2. Follow-up livestream: “A REAL Therapist Talks About False Memories and Satanic Ritual Abuse” (March 27, 2026)
- This was explicitly “in response to the controversy of the recent series on Satanic Ritual Abuse.”
- They brought on a licensed therapist to discuss SRA and the False Memory Syndrome “often associated with it.”
- X announcement:
x.com/WardRadioShow/status/2… (includes broadcast link, though it may now be archived or re-uploaded to YouTube).
- YouTube reference (search this exact title on their channel for the full video, ~7K views in results): “A REAL Therapist Talks About False Memories and Satanic Ritual Abuse” by WARD RADIO.
- Position shown: They platform expert skepticism toward uncritical acceptance of SRA/recovered memory claims, emphasizing how false memories can arise (especially in therapeutic settings). This aligns with using FMS research (Loftus et al.) to contextualize or question certain survivor testimonies.
@wardradioshow
1b. Additional Context from Reactions
Critics in the survivor/advocacy space (including people connected to
@ldsabuse circles) have reacted strongly:
- Jenny Marie Hatch (
@MimiSings68) posted a Substack summary reacting to the therapist episode, calling it an attempt to “debunk Satanic Ritual Abuse” and referencing Loftus’ work/book as something pushed on families to explain away claims (she calls it “discredited” in these circles).
Link:
mimihatch.substack.com/p/war…
- This episode/series is precisely what
@RiseToLiberty referenced when announcing the upcoming Monday discussion with
@ldsabuse on FMS and the Lost in the Mall study “in response to
@WardRadioShow.”
1c. Summary of Ward Radio’s Apparent Stance
Ward Radio appears cautious/skeptical of many SRA and recovered-memory abuse claims in the LDS context. They highlight False Memory Syndrome as a relevant explanatory framework (therapist suggestion, leading questions, moral panic dynamics) rather than accepting all testimonies at face value. This is the “contentious” angle the
@ldsabuse/
@RiseToLiberty discussion is responding to—they are likely critiquing the application of Loftus-style research to dismiss or downplay survivor accounts.
If you want the exact therapist video, search YouTube for: “WARD RADIO A REAL Therapist Talks About False Memories and Satanic Ritual Abuse” (or check their channel for the March 27, 2026 livestream).
The full Jonah Barnes SRA series is also on their YouTube channel. Let me know if you’d like help finding transcripts, specific timestamps, or related critic responses!
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Question 2 (of 3): “Tell me about the social media relationship
@TheEmmapreneur and “Grey” have with
@ldsabuse and
@WardRadioShow”
Answer 2 (Grok):
@TheEmmapreneur (Emma Katherine) and “Grey” (
@GreyAreaMonarch) have a close, collaborative relationship in the survivor advocacy and whistleblower space, particularly around MKUltra/Monarch programming, mind control, GATE programs, SRA (satanic ritual abuse), and institutional abuse. They frequently appear together in the same online circles.
@caverannie
2a. Emma and Grey’s Connection
- Emma (
@TheEmmapreneur) hosts The Imagination podcast, which features long-form interviews with survivors and whistleblowers. She positions herself as “a voice for the voiceless.”
- Grey (
@GreyAreaMonarch) is a prominent MKUltra/Monarch whistleblower (self-described former NOC with amnesiac childhood experiences from brainwashing programs). He has his own podcast (The Grey Area) and advocates against child abuse.
@greyareamonarch
- Grey has been a recurring and highly praised guest on Emma’s podcast (e.g., episodes on GATE programs, mind files, occult foundations of brainwashing, and related topics). Emma has called him one of her “most requested and beloved guests” and used strong affectionate language like “the absolute love of my life: Grey!” in episode promotions. They share the same survivor/whistleblower network and are often tagged together in posts about MKUltra, Cathy O’Brien-style disclosures, and related topics.
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2b. Connection to
@ldsabuse
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@ldsabuse (Justin Riggs) focuses on exposing systemic abuse, cover-ups, and pedophilia/ritual abuse within the LDS (Mormon) Church, sometimes linking it to broader CIA/MKUltra-style programs and conspiracies.
- Emma has directly collaborated with him: In late 2024, she interviewed Justin Riggs/
@ldsabuse on The Imagination about “systemic cover-up and proliferation of (satanic) ritual abuse and pedophilia within… the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” including alleged CIA ties and connections to MKUltra programs experienced by survivors she’s featured. She promoted the episode enthusiastically and framed it as evidence applicable to other institutions.
@TheEmmapreneur
- They (along with Grey and others) are sometimes tagged together in posts about whistleblowers and survivors (e.g., in contexts involving MKUltra disclosures). Their work overlaps in highlighting institutional abuse, with Emma/Grey leaning more into mind control/MKUltra narratives and
@ldsabuse emphasizing LDS-specific cases.
@caverannie
2c. Relationship with
@WardRadioShow
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@WardRadioShow (Ward Radio) is an LDS/Mormon-focused podcast/radio show that discusses truth, deception, church topics, and scandals. It has a sizable following and often takes positions that defenders of the church or certain narratives appreciate.
- The relationship here is more oppositional, especially through
@ldsabuse.
@ldsabuse has produced content directly criticizing/taking down figures associated with Ward Radio (e.g., Jonah Barnes), accusing them of gaslighting abuse victims, invalidating allegations, attacking survivors, and prioritizing institutional loyalty (“priestcraft”) over truth. Other users in these circles echo this, calling out Ward Radio personalities for downplaying or deflecting on abuse issues.
@GoEl1830
- Recent examples include debates around False Memory Syndrome and the “Lost in the Mall” study (often used to question recovered memories in abuse cases).
@RiseToLiberty announced a discussion with
@ldsabuse specifically “in response to
@WardRadioShow” on these topics.
@risetoliberty
- Emma and Grey do not appear to have direct public clashes with Ward Radio in the results, but they operate in the same broader ecosystem where
@ldsabuse’s critiques resonate (survivor advocacy vs. perceived institutional defense or skepticism toward certain claims).
2d. Overall Dynamic
These accounts exist in overlapping but not identical online communities focused on exposing hidden abuse, mind control programs, and institutional corruption—especially where LDS/Mormon contexts intersect with SRA or MKUltra narratives.
- Emma Grey: Strong alliance/collaboration (podcast guest appearances, shared tagging, mutual promotion in survivor spaces).
- Emma/Grey
@ldsabuse: Aligned through direct interview collaboration and shared anti-abuse advocacy; occasional co-tagging in whistleblower contexts.
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@ldsabuse @WardRadioShow: Adversarial/critical (public takedowns and accusations of victim-blaming or cover-up facilitation).
- Emma/Grey indirect link to Ward Radio: Mediated through the above tensions; they amplify voices critical of institutional handling of abuse.
These relationships play out publicly on X through tags, podcast cross-promotion, quote-tweets, and occasional threads, often tied to hot-button topics like recovered memories, ritual abuse claims, and church accountability. The communities involved are passionate and polarized, with strong alliances among survivor advocates and pushback against perceived apologists or skeptics of those claims.
If you have specific posts, episodes, or aspects (e.g., a particular interaction or timeline) you want deeper details on, let me know!
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Question 3 (of 3): “Of the four people I asked about, what are their credentials or bases for making the claims that they make. Here, I’m interested in actual credentials like degrees… but I’m more interested in the bases for what they know or port to know. For example, Emma can say that she knows a lot because she’s a master hypnotist and also because she’s interviewed so many victims and survivors. Give me 3 to 5 reasons (if there are that many) for each. Use their real first names, if available.”
Answer 3 (Grok): Here’s a breakdown for each of the four, based on publicly available information from their own bios, podcast descriptions, interviews, websites, and related discussions. I prioritized actual credentials (like degrees) where they exist, but focused more on their basis for knowledge—personal experience, research methods, volume of primary sources, etc.—as you requested.
I used real first names where confirmed.
3a. Emma Katherine (
@TheEmmapreneur / Host of The Imagination podcast)
Real name: Emma Katherine (sometimes referenced in older contexts with connections to Emma Pietrzak-style advocacy work).
Formal credentials: No traditional academic degrees (e.g., no PhD, MA, or BA prominently listed in public bios). She has self-reported training as a Master Practitioner in hypnosis and NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) for several years (mentioned around 2021).
Basis for her claims/knowledge (3–4 key reasons):
- Hundreds of long-form survivor interviews: She has hosted 500 episodes featuring direct testimonies from MKUltra/MONARCH survivors, SRA/ritual abuse victims, mind control experiencers, and whistleblowers. This gives her extensive pattern recognition across many independent accounts.
- Personal advocacy and immersion: She positions herself as “a voice for the voiceless” and has built a large platform dedicated to trauma, institutional abuse, and mind control topics, allowing ongoing synthesis of information from primary sources.
- Hypnosis/NLP background and interviewing style: Her training in hypnosis and NLP informs how she conducts deep, trauma-informed interviews, which she and supporters say helps survivors share detailed accounts safely.
- Self-directed research and community engagement: She studies historical and contemporary sources on mind control, trauma-based programming, and related conspiracies, often cross-referencing with guests who have specialized knowledge.
3b. Grey (
@GreyAreaMonarch)
Real name: Grey (publicly known as Grey or Grey Area Monarch).
Formal credentials: None publicly listed (no degrees or formal academic background mentioned in bios or appearances).
Basis for his claims/knowledge (3–4 key reasons):
• Personal lived experience as a survivor/whistleblower: He describes himself as a former NOC (Non-Official Cover intelligence operative) whose amnesiac childhood resulted from MONARCH programming (a reported MKUltra-related mind control program). He claims recovered awareness of this and shares detailed personal accounts.
• Direct involvement in targeted programs: He positions his knowledge as coming from first-hand exposure to mind control techniques, GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) programs, and related occult/psychological operations.
• Ongoing whistleblowing and content creation: He runs his own podcast/content (“The Grey Area”) and regularly appears as a guest sharing structured analyses of these programs, drawing from his recovered memories and post-awareness research.
• Collaboration within survivor networks: Frequent deep discussions with other experiencers and researchers allow cross-verification and expansion of his understanding.
3c. Justin Riggs (
@ldsabuse / Creator of
LDSAbuse.info)
Real name: Justin Riggs.
Formal credentials: Holds a Master’s degree in Adult Education and Training. He is a former lifelong member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who was excommunicated.
Basis for his claims/knowledge (4–5 key reasons):
• Master’s-level training in Adult Education and Training: This provides formal skills in research, information synthesis, adult learning, and communication of complex topics.
• Extensive investigative research and documentation: He compiles and analyzes church documents, historical records, survivor testimonies, and alleged institutional connections (including claimed LDS-CIA links and ritual abuse patterns) through his website and public work.
• Insider perspective as a former member: His lifelong membership gave him direct familiarity with LDS culture, structure, and responses to abuse allegations before he began publicly researching and speaking out.
• Whistleblower and journalist role: He operates as an independent researcher/reporter focused on helping abuse victims understand church processes, drawing from aggregated survivor reports and primary sources.
• Interviews and public collaborations: Appearances (e.g., on The Imagination podcast) and ongoing platform work allow him to refine and present findings based on collected evidence.
3d. Ward Radio Show (Key figures: Cardon Ellis and Jonah Barnes)
Real names:
• Main creator/host: Cardon Ellis (radio host, independent filmmaker, comedian/actor background).
• Prominent researcher/producer on SRA-related content: Jonah Barnes (author and researcher).
Formal credentials:
• Cardon Ellis: Background in radio (FM98.1 etc.) and independent filmmaking; no advanced academic degrees prominently cited.
• Jonah Barnes: Author of books on ancestry, family history, apocryphal texts, and Book of Mormon topics. No formal advanced degrees (e.g., PhD or MA in history/theology) listed; he has a background running a wholesale food company.
Basis for their claims/knowledge (especially on SRA, false memory, and related LDS topics; 3–5 reasons):
• Archival and historical document research: Jonah Barnes and the show conduct deep dives into primary sources like memos (e.g., Glenn L. Pace memo), historical records of abuse accusations, and comparisons to past moral panics. This forms the core of their SRA series.
• Synthesis across multiple sources: They combine historical analysis, church records, contemporary claims, and expert input (e.g., bringing on a licensed therapist to discuss False Memory Syndrome and SRA).
• Insider cultural and institutional knowledge: As LDS-connected podcasters, they draw on familiarity with church culture, doctrine, and current events to contextualize claims.
• Podcast platform and ongoing analysis: Cardon Ellis’s radio/filmmaking background supports structured presentation of research with commentary. The show produces multi-part series and responds to controversies with further investigation.
• For Jonah Barnes specifically: Study of ancient/apocryphal texts and authorship of related books provides a research-oriented approach to historical and scriptural topics that informs his broader analytical work.
Overall note: None of these individuals are traditional academics with PhDs in psychology, history, or related fields. Their authority in these discussions comes primarily from experiential knowledge (survivor/whistleblower accounts), volume of primary source engagement (interviews, documents), and independent research/synthesis rather than institutional credentials. This is common in online advocacy, whistleblower, and alternative research spaces. Formal credentials are limited except for Justin Riggs’s Master’s degree.
If you’d like deeper details on any specific person, sources for the above, or comparisons between them, just let me know!