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The greatest trick ever pulled was convincing Americans that socialism is when the government does stuff. Reactionaries can use it as an indictment, and liberals are dumb enough to argue for it that way. Its a self-fulfilling circle of defeat for the working masses.

This shit is why the conservative Marxists will not win America, just the settlers living here.

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Profit. Privately owning the Earth. The right to Privately own the Earth and everyone else's means of survival.

You have already admitted that employment is the ability to choose your master or mastery over others. Thats all the indictment of capitalism I need. I already won.

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Anti-communists argue like we live under a barter economy and not under a system where the whole economy and all political institutions are controlled by like 3 index fund management companies.

But they get mad when people say the same thing about ACP. Really bringing the movement together.

This guy is so funny.

Bro got dogwalked and I am tired of walking the dog:

This motherfucker was posting multiple times an hour for a long time... And then he finally replied to one of my comments and now he ain't saying shit lmao.

"Here, work for me and I will provide for you, you don't want to do that yourself" And you... like freedom?

Alright, I am wrapping this up because you do not know what the words mean well enough to keep going. You keep flattening labor, trade, ownership, rent, wages, profit, and command into one blob called “effort.” That is the whole problem. Someone worked to build the house. Correct. That does not mean the landlord personally produces shelter every month by owning the deed. Builders worked. Plumbers worked. Electricians worked. Roofers worked. Road crews worked. Utility workers worked. The surrounding infrastructure and community make that house livable. If the landlord repairs, maintains, cleans, upgrades, or manages the property, that is labor. Pay for labor. But ownership itself is not labor. A deed does not swing a hammer. Same with the workplace. Someone may have worked to start a shop or build a company. Fine. Nobody denied that. But once the relation becomes “I own the workplace, I control the books, I set the terms, I own the product, and I keep the surplus because other people need wages to live,” we are no longer just talking about someone’s past effort. We are talking about ownership as command. Workers labor. Builders built the building. Supply chains supply it. Public roads, schools, utilities, courts, standards, and infrastructure make it usable. The owner’s special power is not “work exists.” The owner’s special power is “I own the gate.” Working with other people is normal. Coordination is normal. Trade is normal. Money can exist. Markets can exist. Collective production can exist. None of that requires boss rule, landlordism, wage dependence, rent extraction, or a class of owners standing above everyone else because they control access. “Working for wages” is not the exact same thing as hunting and fishing for yourself in the wild. Labor is a human necessity. Wage labor is a social relation. You keep pretending those are identical because if you admit the difference, your argument collapses. I do not hate working with other people. I hate the ownership relation where other people’s access to life becomes someone else’s income stream. You keep calling that “effort” because calling it title, rent, profit, and command makes it look a lot less noble.

Damn... right-wingers really are fucking stupid.

And finally a repost for your stupid ass: You keep arguing with a version of me you made up because the real argument is harder. I did not say “make the entire economy one giant government office.” You think I am saying the government should own everything. I never said that, you are assuming. ASS-uming. I said private bureaucracy exists, and “you can leave” is not the same thing as control. Paperwork you can walk away from is still a burden if walking away means losing your job, healthcare, housing, platform access, credit access, transportation, or the income you need to live. Exit is only meaningful when people have real material alternatives. And your “free market” still needs force. Contracts are enforced by courts. Property is enforced by cops. Evictions are enforced by the state. Patents are enforced by law. Debt collection is enforced through legal machinery. Corporations exist because the state recognizes and protects them. You are not removing force. You are hiding it behind private ownership. The Amazon example proves my point. Public money being funneled into a private corporation is not “small government” or “freedom.” It is state power serving private profit. You call that capitalism when you like the outcome and government corruption when someone points at the structure. I do not want politicians deciding everything for everyone. I also do not want bosses, landlords, insurers, creditors, platforms, and corporate bureaucrats deciding everything because they own the chokepoints of life.

This dumbass thinks people used to own deer and would charge someone to use a bow to hunt it. This meme only works if you are stupid enough to think nature and property law are the same thing. Needing food is not exploitation. Exploitation is when someone fences off the land, claims the animals, controls the tools, criminalizes access, and then says “good news, you are free to work for me if you want to eat.” Nature did not invent landlords, bosses, game law, rent, wage labor, or cops protecting private title. People have always had to reproduce life. Capitalism inserts an owner between people and the means of doing that, then calls the resulting dependence freedom. I hate middle men. You guys keep sucking them off thinking the suction will lift you up.

“Read your Marx” from a guy claiming socialism means rule by a privileged few is incredible. Where does Marx define socialism as a handful of managers ruling over workers? Marx talks about proletarian political power as a transition out of capitalism. The whole point is abolishing bourgeois class power, private control over production, and the domination of labor by capital. You replaced the working class with a privileged few and called that Marx. A party bureaucracy bossing workers around can quote Marx all day. Libs can wear hammer and sickle shirts and "support Unions" vaguely. The question is still whether workers and common people actually control production, political life, and the surplus. If they don’t, then you have reproduced class domination under a different costume. I do not agree with Orwell on everything, but he did not call Nazism socialism, and he apparently knew more about the matter than you.

Help this fucking kid