Full transcript from Danny’s telegram: Previously unreleased group conversation with Ray Peat that took place on January 30, 2022, about technocracy, growing food, hard money, and safe places to live:
Q: Short-term safety (1-3 years) – inside or outside the USA?
Ray Peat: It really depends on how you would live outside the US. The transition time creates confusion and can reduce your stability, which is very close to safety. Safety varies with pollution, random danger, and political possibilities. It depends on the specific city or region, whether you’re in the US or Mexico. You can find places with extreme safety in Mexico and risky places in the US. Americans are almost always the least likely to be directly harmed in Mexico, except indirectly through pollution.
Q: Does the answer change for the long term (rest of your life as a 30-year-old)?
Ray Peat: With the exception of invasion by the US, Mexico is on a generally good stabilizing course while the US is on a steady downward course. If they continue the present path, the US could become almost unrecognizable within 10 years. The rate of craziness we’ve seen in the last year and a half, if extrapolated, would make it a complete nightmare long before 10 years.
Q: Aren’t the strongest resistors to the global agenda concentrated in the USA with the best laws and resources to fight back, compared to Mexico?
Ray Peat: No. When you get away from the cities, Mexico has more of that spontaneous libertarian spirit. That conformist, militaristic conformism in the US was completely absent when I first went to Mexico 60 years ago. It has been creeping in, but I would guess a good half of the population is still pretty spontaneously libertarian — they secretly keep their guns and do what they want, ignoring the state.
Q: Thoughts on Bolivia, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Ecuador, Peru as alternatives?
Ray Peat: Costa Rica has traditionally been the most like Scandinavia — unmilitarized and pretty free. Peru is probably the most inclined to fascism. Ecuador is being pressured so heavily by the US it’s hard to tell what will happen. Bolivia is second in the world (after Mexico) in communal land ownership at about 33%, which supports anti-neoliberal processes. The neoliberal pressures are what anger the population and create dangerous situations.
Q: Is Mexico more resistant to Green New Deal / climate change agendas than Bolivia?
Ray Peat: I imagine both are pretty resistant, but my feeling from both big-city and small-town people in Mexico is that they are extremely resistant to propaganda. Right after 9/11, the word “pretexto” was already in everyone’s mind in Mexico, while it took 10 years for that awareness to take hold in the US.
Q: Hedging bets for the next 10 years — Bolivia or Mexico?
Ray Peat: Mexico has a long history (about 150 years) of being a place of escape from repressive governments, similar to Holland centuries ago. Even conservative governments have honored that liberal tradition of accepting refugees from everywhere.
Q: Does growing cartel violence and power in Mexico factor into your decision?
Ray Peat: The cartels are starting to use their drug money to invest in agriculture, and they don’t always know what they’re doing, which contributes to some deforestation. But they can be shooting each other not very far away and no one pays attention because it’s only between the drug people.
Q: If we start a community with a large agriculture focus, would that raise eyebrows with the cartels?
Ray Peat: If you were a very rich operation, maybe — think of the Mennonites in Chihuahua. They seem to have done pretty well and I haven’t heard of them being menaced by the cartels. (One incident involved a family driving a vehicle similar to those used by drug people.)