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What a collection — you’ll find a more engaging, intellectual, and sincere panel at an AlienCon personality forum than these shibboleths 🤡
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In other news, everything David Grusch says is true. This is why I was at "AlienCon" to begin with. Trying to find answers well before the Twitter/X UFO community established deep roots.

youtu.be/mzMG3LARz20?si=bviC… Can't change what I saw and know firsthand
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Replying to @GoodTroubleShow
That guy is a complete clown. I met him in San Francisco at the first annual AlienCon many years ago. Dude is a complete douchewaffle. He screamed at my wife for asking for a picture of him during the $200 a plate VIP dinner. Yes, we foolishly paid $200 a plate at AlienCon 🤣🤣
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The Stratton, Taylor and Knapp comments are from March of 2023 at AlienCon. ufojoe.net/stratton-taylor-k…

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Welcome. I thought the original post would do better. It did not. I'm curious if Jay still thinks their tech might be causing us to see/experience these things? I'll post an excerpt from his AlienCon talk in a second.
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I did go to AlienCon in Pasadena. That was fun.
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Replying to @MichaelSalla
I bought Keyhoes first edition of Flying Saucers from Outer Space at a booth at AlienCon. I only paid $30. One of my prized possessions ☺️
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Replying to @disgustipated42
First heard this from Linda Moulton Howe in 2018 at AlienCon Baltimore.
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Replying to @ORaven1711
Nah. As they said, "This sworn government whistleblower, who recently testified before Congress." Kind of limits who it can be. Bad look for people who think everything is a bad look. Just like when Stratton did AlienCon and people thought the same thing.
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"There's one video I've seen that they're going to declassify." ~@ChrisKMellon (That has yet to happen.) Did Stratton Screw Us by Changing the UAP Classification Guide? Plus, Do 4K UAP Videos Actually Exist? "The most compelling piece of data, Mellon claimed, are clear satellite photos of craft in space above the Earth that are obviously not manmade." ~NYP (We all know photos won't cut it, and you can't tell something is "obviously not manmade" from just a photo. And in the direct quote from Mellon, he didn't say photos.) “'We have satellite imagery of craft that sure don’t look like anything that we have built or constructed,' Mellon said." ~NY Post (Imagery can be photos or videos. Mellon also said there are more videos like the Tic Tac, Gimbal and Go Fast. If those are released, along with the audio, and the fighter pilots come forward to explain what they experienced, that would get a lot of public interest as the masses loved those first three videos released in 2017 and early 2018. But what we REALLY need are clear and close-up, daylight videos of craft performing maneuvers that we didn't think were possible. Anomalous. The takeaway from Mellon on the possible release of UFO files that Trump called for...) "Mellon said he has no expectation for files that confirm the existence of, or contact with, alien civilizations." ~NYP (Also, does the good stuff from satellites consist of photographs, videos or both? That is a hard question to answer if you follow along with what Mellon has said.) @jamescfox in May of 2024: "I was like, 'Ohh, how good are the photographs?' [And Mellon] goes, 'James... 4K. Just think about as good as you can imagine...of craft.'" (And here's Fox asking questions of Mellon at the 2025 UAPF panel. Now the question changes from photos to videos.) Fox in May of 2025: "This high-resolution, 4K-videos of UAP? Is this stuff that you know about or is this stuff that you've seen?" Mellon 2025: "Well,, there's some stuff that I've seen and I've asked about, and then I think there's one video I've seen that they're going to declassify. And...umm...I hope that happens. It wasn't 4(K)...I wish it was 4K. It was more like what you've seen, you know, is infrared, sensor, gun-camera video, along the lines of what the New York Times published, and the Washington Post, subsequently. So it's that kind of video from that sensor-system." (So no clear answer on if he's seen 4K photos or videos.) Fox: "So we know it exists, it's there?" Mellon: "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now, by the way, we are at a point now where the AARO has received somewhere in the neighborhood of 1800 military reports. 1800! In just the last few years (Only a small percentage of those were deemed to be UAP or truly anomalous. ~Joe). "Some of those are iPhone videos, so I don't think there's a sources-and-methods-issue there (audience laughter). There's a variety of...some are from, you know, stuff you get at Best Buy from sailors on the ship with a video camera on the deck. There's gotta be a number in that mix that could be revealed. And beyond that, as I said, I think there's a lot of high-caliber, sensor data the American people have already paid for many of these sensors, they're out there, many of them, and they're collecting permanent data." (If you're confused about what our best sensors really show, you're not alone. Finally, Jay Statton has been accused of being the one who changed the UAP classification guide. Mellon addressed it at that same UAPF event in 2025: @LueElizondo: "In your opinion, what are the consequence of retrofitting/classifying information previously unclassified? And...are you aware of any specific incidents of information or data that was once unclassified that is now classified?" Mellon: "As I mentioned earlier, Lue, I think there's piles of that stuff. And I think there's so much of it, it's kind of hard to gauge what the consequences are. Because, my understanding is that they adopted a classification guide which basically says, 'Anything and everything to do with UAP is classified, here forth.' "If an F-18 ATFLIR targeting-pod video is unclassified in 2017 - and we're not talking about a denied area (we don't want people, especially adversaries, to know we had sensors in that area ~Joe) or some unusual exception, how could it be classified when you take the same video from the same system in the same area, two years later? I don't get it! But that looks like what they did." "I argued, vociferously, against it at the time, I knew some of the people involved and tried to make the argument to them: 'Guys, you wouldn't even be here, we wouldn't be having a discussion if information hadn't gotten into the public domain via Congress and the press. And that's why we've made the progress we've made to date, and now you want to drop the curtain on everything? What are you...? I don't get it.' So, I can't really gauge the implications, but I do think they're negative, and I think it's inappropriate and I think it's probably unlawful." (Telling them they wouldn't have made the progress we see now if those videos were never put out makes me think it IS Stratton, @travisstaylor1 and Grusch, who was also working with the UAPTF. But then you have Taylor saying this at AlienCon in 2023.) Taylor: "Here’s the problem. And you guys got to understand the sticky situation we’re in. So Jay and I, and a few others, we wrote the security-classification guide when we were on the UAP Task Force, and none of this was classified. None of it was. But then, when we left, the new group (AARO) is going in and trying to backdate and change the classifications of some of the stuff, and it could catch us in a trap. And so, we have to be very careful about where we go with some of it, and it’s just been weird, it’s been really weird." (Lots of confusing things in those post so feel free to clarify, if you can.)
Trump's UFO release could include videos, photos of non-human craft proving we aren't alone : source trib.al/d4kAgjW
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I’ve always wanted to go to attend AlienCon. They could have a CoonCon 🎉 🦝 afterparty
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AlienCon: Stratton, Taylor & Knapp – “We’re Here To Help Get To The Bottom Of What In The World Is Going On” ufojoe.net/stratton-taylor-k…

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Replying to @XFilesAesthetic
I took that photo. No joke. Green room at AlienCon Pasadena.
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I had no idea he was alive, but apparently he was still appearing at "AlienCon" events very recently
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Very sad. Had a chance to meet with him at the AlienCon in Pasadena, at the hotel bar. Very influential when I was growing up in the ‘70’s and ‘80’s.
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Replying to @RedPandaKoala
I see Josh Boswell continues his zany UFO quest. I met him at AlienCon. He was starstruck and enamored by Corbell, Stratton, Taylor, etc. You'd think, at some point, he'd realize he was groomed and used as a media asset. Maybe one day...
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🛸🎬 Maher and Farah: Full Transcript with My Comments 🎬🛸 "If you don't think this is happening now, I'm not sure who the kook is. It could be the most serious issue. Everything else might seem trivial, if the aliens are here." ~Bill Maher (This transcript (with my comments added) took forever. Hope you enjoy it. Wanna support what I do? Information on that will be in the 2nd, attached tweet.) ~ Maher: "First up, he is the producer and director of the new documentary, The Age of Disclosure, releasing in select theaters and streaming worldwide on Prime Video, November 21st. Take a look. (They show the trailer.) Audio from the Gimbal video... "My gosh... There's a whole fleet of them." Sec. Rubio: "We've had repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted, nuclear facilities, and it's not ours." Rep. Andre Carson: "These are other-worldly things that are performing maneuvers that haven't been seen." Former F-18 Fighter Pilot, Cmdr. David Fravor: "You can kind of see it start to accelerate, and as it gets in front of us, it's gone. This thing was doing 32,000 miles an hour." ~ Maher: "Please welcome, Dan Farah (audience applause). Dan. How are you, sir? Appreciate having you here. All right. So I saw your movie, I can't wait to talk to you about this. Not just because it's Halloween, I know it's a spooky subject. But I've been on your page for quite a while. I think, you know, I'm old enough to remember when we talked about UFOs, or what do we call them now?" Farah: "UAP." Maher: "UAP. I don't know why we had to make the change." Farah: "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena." Maher: "(pause) I thought it was Aerial?" Farah: "Uh uh." Maher: "No? Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon." Farah: "Yeah." Maher: "Whatever it is, they're flying saucers (Farah and audience laugh)." Farah: "That's fair." (Okay, why the change from UFO to UAP? UAP is an old acronym that was first used in the 60s and then, off and on, throughout the years. Most notably, by former First Lady, Hillary Clinton, in 2016 when she was on Jimmy Kimmel Live “You know, there’s a new name. It’s unexplained aerial phenomenon. U.A.P. That’s the latest nomenclature.” ~Hillary Clinton But the recent use of it again was explained by Jay Stratton at the 2023 AlienCon: Travis Taylor: "I think now would be a good time to explain to everybody why you decided to go from UFO to UAP." Jay Stratton: "I look at it…honestly, it needed to be done. There were two key reasons I changed it from UFO to UAP. 2018-ish, 2019-ish, you started seeing that term used more and more. I had to draw a line. This is 15 years in this business for me and I had A LOT of interaction with Congress and lot of interactions with the executive branch, across the White House and everywhere. And it was way more palatable, one, for folks to hear UAP versus UFO because, unfortunately, they just immediately jump to little green men. "And two, my experience at the [Skinwalker] ranch, and other places and other things I had seen throughout my career at this point: This is phenomena. And it’s not one thing, it’s not always a nuts and bolts craft, as we used to look at it. I kind of went through that same stage of life that Jacques Vallée, my friend, went through with kind of realizing, we’re not talking just about flying saucers, right? There’s more to the story, it’s a bigger, involved story." Travis: "So you can blame Skinwalker Ranch for UAP." (Audience laughs) Full transcript: x.com/TheUfoJoe/status/16651… ~ Maher: "And, you know, things have changed a lot. I mean, again, I'm old enough to remember when it was like, it was just the kooks who thought about this. And I just wanna say, I think, if you don't think this is happening now, I'm not sure who the kook is, but I don't think it's me. I really don't. It used to be crazy people, or people out in the middle of nowhere who got anally probed and all that kind of..." (Audience and Farah laugh. Not a good moment for the experiencer community. Whitley Strieber feels like he was raped (anal probe) by a non-human intelligence so that claim is not something to laugh at. They revisit this a little later on in the interview and they do a better job of treating it in a serious manner.) Maher: "And now it's, I mean, it's not just the military people and the Defense-Department people, but everybody. You did a great service with this film because you put it all together, and you see all these people. Not just Rubio, it's bipartisan. You see Schumer and Adam Schiff and...senators and very, very serious people. The people with the buzz cuts in the military, talking about this and saying the kind of things that just cannot be explained. So, my first question to you is, could you go through the six observables? These are the things that you cannot deny that they are seeing." Farah: "Yeah. So, a number of the intelligence officials I interviewed who actively investigated UAP and non-human intelligent life for the government. They came up with a set of observables, they called them. These are, basically, flight characteristics that we observe UAP doing. And it's things we can't do. So, like, instantaneous acceleration." Maher: "Instantaneous acceleration." Farah: "Yeah. So like, stopping on a dime and then taking off." Maher: "Right. One of the guys in the movie says they hover around for a few hours, and then it's just gone." Farah: "Yeah, just absolute instant going from like, zero, to thousands of miles an hour. Anti-gravity. Displaying characteristics that seems [as] if they are not impacted by gravity. Transmedium travel. Going from one medium to another. Going from like, space, to the air, to the ocean, seamlessly." Maher: "And traveling in the ocean at speeds...we could never travel in the ocean They don't seem to be affected by friction of any kind." Farah: "Yeah, yeah. And then, hypersonic velocity. The long and short of it is, these things are doing things that we can't do. Our most advanced aircraft can't operate this way. And they're doing it with impunity in our most sensitive airspace. So, our training ranges, our military bases where we have our defense capabilities, like Vandenberg Air Force Base up the coast here in California, where we have our heart of our defense capabilities. UAP activity there regularly. Our nuclear-weapons bases. It's a serious issue." Maher: "A very (laughs)... Well, I mean, it could be the most serious issue. I mean, I feel like...they remind me, the aliens, a little about the guy in the, you know, the tough-guy movie, he always says, 'If I wanted you to be dead, you'd be dead by now (audience and Farah laugh).' I feel like people who have this capability, if they wanted us dead, we would be dead by now." (I don't think they want us dead (I could be wrong), and it may be that they want us very much alive because they use as a resource. As Garry Nolan speculated when Danica Patrick asked him: Why the secrecy? Why is information being kept from us by the people in the know? Nolan: "Maybe there's something about them that's really scary...to know that we are somebody else's property. Or, heaven help, maybe we're farmed for something? That would be awful, that would be icky. I mean, it isn't as if we don't farm things. Just to know you're not the top of the food chain, might not be a pleasant thing." Source: x.com/TheUfoJoe/status/15613… ~ Maher: "I feel like people who have this capability, if they wanted us dead, we would be dead by now." Farah: "Well, one of the points raised in our film is, what if that's been the case for a long time, but circumstances have changed? You know, we've evolved, technologically, very quickly, over the last 80 years." Maher: "Right." Farah: "But our morals have not really evolved. We're still a violent species." Maher: "Right." Farah: "We're still threatening war. We're, you know, still invading sovereign nations." Maher: "You bring up the point, and I think it's a great one, that I don't think it's a coincidence that we started finding stuff in 1947, right after the dawn of the nuclear age. That's when you have Roswell." (Well, there are claims of crashes earlier than Roswell, such as in Aurora, Texas in 1897 and Magenta, Italy in 1933.) Maher: "They have found crashes...you have people who say..." Farah: "Yeah, people that say Roswell happened and it was real." Maher: "No, but you have people who say, 'I saw with my own eyes, [an] alien body or a spaceship that crashed.'" Farah: "Yeah, yeah, yeah." (No, no, no. Assuming (since I haven't see the film) he's referring to Stratton - who talks about seeing those types of things - we need to be accurate: Stratton did NOT say he saw bodies, and craft that crashed. THIS is what he said: "I have seen, with my own eyes, non-human craft and non-human beings." ~Jay Stratton What was Stratton referring to? I think this post will give you a pretty good idea...) Stratton: On Skinwalker Ranch, "I was walking in the field in the area now that’s called the triangle, and I was just just kind of scanning the skies and I look up over the mesa and I saw what you’d call a delta-shaped, really right isosceles triangle craft moving left to right over the mesa. And at this point in my career, I’m the senior head of aerospace and warfare for the Defense Intelligence Agency. I’m the guy who the Secretary of Defense and President, and whomever else…I’m writing these reports and briefings on technologies and aerospace technologies, anywhere in the world. "And I’m seeing something that, okay, maybe it’s an F-117, a small, delta-winged… Nope, not a 117. It’s smaller than that. It’s not a B-2. The kicker was…it was moving very quickly. The size of it? Either it was very far away and large, or it was small and closer. You don’t have any way to judge that. And the biggest kicker was, it was quiet. And I should be hearing jet noise, even at a distance. Maybe see contrails if it was a control day. It’s all guesses, right? Apply the scientific approach and try to understand what I’m seeing. "But that was my first trip to the ranch, and that first trip to the ranch validated for me, 'Hey, there’s some things there.' And you can imagine, I went back with all the resources that I have. Is it ours, right? Everybody always thinks, 'Is it ours?' And I could never validate what that was. And that makes a point to somebody, especially in a career they’re in." (The beings, NOT bodies) Travis Taylor: "And when we turned the corner, Kaleb's (Bench) shining his light, and there was something there. It was as big as a human torso, rectangular, and it made the light reflect right back at us. And the thing either turned this way and ran off, or…it vanished. It’s hard to say because it was so quick. So we took off running after it and I’m yelling at these guys. "And Erik (Bard) jumps up and runs in and turns on all the cameras and everything. And it’s really weird…we all looked at each other afterwards and we were describing it. None us wanted to say it. But, one of us finally said, 'You know, it sounds kind of like that Predator thing they talk about in that book that George (Knapp) wrote.' And we were like, 'Nooo, that’s too crazy! We can’t do that.' But that’s literally what happened." Joe: "Like a translucent type of…like in the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie." Travis: "Like a cloaking suit or something. It was so weird. I don’t know what it was." Stratton: "Travis called me after that one. And if I remember, I asked him, 'Did it have a rectangle on it, kind of chest height?' And he said, 'Yeah.' I’ve seen the same thing out there. It’s crazy, right? To think thirteen, fourteen years apart and the same kinds of things are happening out there. I jokingly call it the Predator, you know? Because there’s no other way to describe it. And then, I observed something as I’m walking back, kind of to the triangle area, towards the doublewide. And I saw something wider than the trailer that the cows were in. And George (Knapp) may know more about the back end of that. I came home and our mutual friend, Colm (Kelleher), said that the security guards that were out there had seen something similar, too. And it was, you know, it jumped from the ground, up on top of the trailer. I didn’t see that myself. Caveat. But I did see that mask moving, behind the trailer as I was walking back. I didn’t see anything on my way up there. We had two dogs out there with us at the time and it wasn’t either one of the dogs." Full Predator post: x.com/TheUfoJoe/status/18919… (BTW, it's possible Stratton DID get access to the Legacy UAP crash retrieval program and related programs and DID see non-human bodies and craft (crashed or landed), but he has never, publicly, spoken about that so it's only speculation. However, Stratton DID say this at the SXSW premiere in March.) Stratton: I've spent, "lots of time over the years, countless hours with Congress, with the executive branch, pushing this message forward. And what I want to say is: In those countless hours, I have given them information. I've given them not only the existence of non-human intelligence, but the address to go look to see it, and they were denied access." (How does Stratton know where it is? Has he been inside of those locations to confirm it? Maybe. Maybe not.) Full transcript from the SXSW: x.com/TheUfoJoe/status/18995… ~ Farah: "I think the connection between nuclear weapons and UAP is fascinating. It's one of the most interesting things I learned about making this movie. In line with our harnessing of nuclear energy and our technological progress, UAP activity has increased. And so, yeah. It's safe to assume, if they're concerned with our progress, technologically." Maher: "Yes. I mean, again, I'm just going by what I'm reading and seeing in your movie, but reading for years now. Certainly the last five to ten years. It just seems that there is a progression. At the beginning, they seemed to be interested, they were more land based, the things we found. There was that book "Communion (and "The Communion Letters")." Somebody (Whitley Strieber, and Anne Strieber co-wrote the latter) wrote about a number of people, hundreds of people, who had a very similar experience. It could be a different psychological phenomenon, but they all seem to be even boarded on a spaceship. They have a vague memory of being probed in the ass (audience and Farah laugh). Well, that's just how they would... It looked like they were studying us. Like, okay, let's find out what these people are about. And then they seem to have ghosted us. They don't, they're not probing us anymore. You never hear about that. I feel like they, okay, we know who we're dealing with. And now they're..." (Kudos to Maher for taking those claims seriously. Are people still reporting abductions? I will reach out to experiencer researcher, Yvonne Smith, and find out.) Farah: "I think there's been a, like a turning point, in that, I think government officials have started to acknowledge that this is a real situation." Maher: "Yeah." Farah: "And it's not a laughing matter, it's serious. And it's an issue that should become a serious and national conversation." Maher: "Yeah, well, I think it is now. And as you say, when our technology changes, it very well may change their attitude toward us. It seems like, no they could have been here forever." Farah: "Yeah." Maher: "You seem to think that their bases are under the ocean, which is the best place you would hide. We don't know much about the bottom of the ocean." Farah: "Yeah. 80% of the ocean hasn't been explored." Maher: "Right. And they seem to be interested, very interested, when we started to have nuclear technology. Now we have AI. Is it possible that we do get to this level where we're getting threatening to them with our intelligence, and that is when they're gonna send Keanu Reeves to say (claps/swipes his hands together to simulate the non-humans wiping out humanity. Audience and Farah laugh). What? Plainly, they don't wanna do it." Farah: "It does seem like we're moving towards a crossroad, like we're evolving, technologically, to the point where we're on, you know, we're close to doing what they do. Yet, again, our morals have not evolved. So we could be viewed as a potential threat." Maher: "Plainly, we're not close to what they're doing. Maybe we will with AI. But all the stuff you're describing, the reason why it's so alarming is that we're not close. We don't even know what the f*ck they're...how they pull it off. How do you do this stuff? So maybe we have a few years." (Glad Maher said that. If we look at the technology and propulsion militaries around the world have put on public display thus far, we are NOT close to being able to replicate what UAP can do. But maybe we've cracked some of the code behind the scenes? I've posted about that many times and, IMO, the jury is still out. Did one of the folks in the movie pull Farah aside and say, "Between us, we're close to cracking gravity and being able to mimic what UAP can do." Doubtful, but you never know.) Maher: "I felt this was a very positive, even though some people would read it differently: They seem to have the technology, I learned from your movie, to turn off, or on, our nuclear weapons. There was an incident...was there not, where they turned...?" Farah: "Yeah, there's been a few events where UAP activity over nuclear-weapon sites has activated the missiles, in some case, and then turn them off in some cases. And, it's obviously a display of power of some sort. You know, your guess is as good as mine of what the intention is, but it's concerning." (I'm glad he's not assuming he knows "their" intent, like so many people have a tendency to do, and Maher almost did in this interview.) Maher: "Well, it's concerning. Also, if they are gonna be able to turn off our nuclear missiles, I say they can't get here soon enough (Farah nods in agreement and the audience applauds). You know, that, to me, looks like they're saving us from ourselves. Possibly." (Possibly is right and I'm glad he added that.) Farah: "Yeah, yeah. It could be, you know, there's been different opinions voiced in my film, right? Some people say it's the equivalent of adults taking matchsticks out of the hands of children, right? That's one way to look at it. Another way is, they're concerned about our progress, nuclearly, and they're trying to deter us from moving forward." (When people talk about the appearance of UFOs over nuclear missiles, seemingly, putting them into launch mode, they usually mention the 1982 alleged incident in the Ukraine. But there's also at least one alleged American case and it's a good one. "On this particular night, we had to activate the ‘Inhibit’ switch because we got ‘Launch in Progress’ indicators. I wrote a massive post about it here... 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 x.com/TheUfoJoe/status/18322… ~ Maher: "So, let me just be devil's advocate here, because I'm sure there are people saying, you know, well, what about the other side, the people who have skepticism and their arguments that they level against you. It could be, I don't know, it could be another power like China or Russia that has this technology that we don't have. I don't think that's really..." Farah: "I think that's even more terrifying. Because we know the intentions of our adversaries, and they're not good. So if it turns out China leapfrogged us, technologically, by a lot." Maher: "They didn't." Farah: "All right, they didn't. But the person who can't wrap their head around the idea that it's a non-human intelligence, you would say..." Maher: "Well, I mean, here's another one I had. One of the people who was very prominent, who was early on interested in this subject and looking into it, was Harry Reid. He used to be the Democratic senator from Utah (Nevada. ~Joe), and he's a Mormon. And the Mormons believe in Planet Kolob. You know this, right?" Farah: "I don't know that. " Maher: "You don't know about the Mormons?" Farah: "No, I don't." Maher: "Oh, let me tell you." Farah: "All right (Farah and audience laughs)." Maher: "If you think the Scientologists are weird, Uh, yes, they believe God is a six-foot-two man. Six-foot-two. They know his exact height. And he lives on the planet, Kolob. Where is Kolob? Well, if you hit Ork (Mork and Mindy reference), you've gone too far. That's all I can tell you (audience laughs and applauds). But, no. This theory is that Harry Reid wants to legitimize alien invasion because it makes his religion make more sense." Farah: "Hmm. I don't think so." Maher: "Yeah, you don't have to answer (both laugh). (If anybody takes the time to read Reid's foreword to, "Skinwalkers at the Pentagon (SATP)," they'd have better insight into his thoughts on UAP. "Data on UAPs exist; they need to be analyzed; more data needs to be collected; and the public should be informed as much as possible." ~Reid in SATP ~ Maher: "Here's my question: Is this something that has been hidden from presidents themselves? Because, you know, it's been 80 years. I mean, somehow a lot of this stuff has been kept under wraps. Wouldn't Trump have blabbed about it?" Farah: "So, one of the shocking interviews in my film is Secretary Rubio going on the record, saying that this has been so deeply hidden that even presidents are not told all the facts around this topic. They're sort of given a little bit of information, and they're told the direction this is gonna go, but they're kept out of it. And that was pretty shocking to hear, someone at Rubio's level making that clear." (Admiral Wilson explained this to Dr. Eric Davis in 2002... Who's on the list (that he saw) of people who get access to the alleged crash retrieval program?) Wilson: "Willing to say that most were program employees - names and titles (job titles) - civilians - didn’t recognize any military personnel - could be there." Davis: "Any politicians?" Wilson: "No. No White House names, no President! No Congressional people. No Congressional staffers." Davis: "Any in Clinton or Bush Sr. Administrations?" Wilson: "No! But handful of names were Pentagon individuals I recognized - few from OUSDAT, one from another department, another at the NSC who is Pentagon SES employee." (And Rubio said this to Joe Khalil in 2023. Great interview if you haven't read or watched it.) "If it's accurate...there's a group of people who believe that they possess something that they don't need to share with anybody, including elected officials, who they view as temporary employees of the government." ~Rubio Full Interview: x.com/TheUfoJoe/status/16778… ~ Maher: "And there's also the theory I saw in your movie that, possibly, when these crashes take place, they're doing it on purpose so that we'll be able to absorb their technology. That we have found their spacecraft, possibly, and we would reverse engineer it so we could learn. Can you think of anything we actually may have learned from an alien crash?" Farah: "Like, there's a lot of speculation on what sort of technology that we've benefited from, has come out of these situations." Maher: "Tang." Farah: "Tang (both laugh along with the audience). But one of the really serious reveals in the film is that intelligence officials in our government, and elected officials in our government, have uncovered the fact that there is a deeply-hidden UAP crash retrieval program. And they've been reverse engineering UAP. And there is, in fact, a program - adversarial nations as well. And so there's this, essentially, a high-stakes, secret Cold War race playing out right now to reverse engineer this technology. Some of the interview subjects in my film referred to it as the Manhattan Project on steroids, because the stakes are so high, but the public has no idea. So one of the things I hope comes out of this film is the public becoming aware of this situation, because these circumstances impact us all. But we all, for the most part, think it's not a serious issue. We think it's a joke. Laugh at it." Maher: "I don't think it's a joke. It does not seem to me like they have evil intent, at least not for now. And, you know, given the state of humanity, I don't know if anybody could really do worse (all laugh)." (I agree that humans have been less-than-stellar at handling things on this planet, but I also don't know the intent of the intelligence behind the phenomenon. Could be bad news for us. Or not.) Farah: "I mean, if you were an advanced non-human intelligence species, would you want us showing up on your front lawn?" Maher: "Let's just leave that for next time (all laugh and audience applause). Thank you very much. Great work. I appreciate your efforts." ~
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1/2 "Either, what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or...we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government, who are crazy, and are leading us on a goose chase." ~Senator Marco Rubio ~~~ I'm working on a transcript that includes my opinions on the various things Rubio said in the Khalil @NewsNation interview. That will be on my blog. In the meantime, I'm sharing this transcript of the original news segment, plus the full Rubio interview that was released later. Entin hadn't seen the full interview when this first aired so that explains some of his questions. @ddeanjohnson also tweeted out a transcript of the full Rubio interview. Mine is lightly edited for clarity. ~~~~~ Brian Entin: "Hey everybody, I'm @BrianEntin, filling in for Ashley this week. There is a lot of breaking news tonight. It turned into a busy, busy night. A major update when it comes to UF[O] whistleblower, David Grusch. You remember him, we first broke the news here on NewsNation, his claims that the U.S. government has a secret UFO program and actually has non-human craft and its possession. Well, tonight, there is a massive development, a bombshell. Senator @marcorubio on the Intel Committee says other whistleblowers, with firsthand knowledge, have also come forward. We've got the senator's exclusive interview with NewsNation's @JoeKhalilTV. That is coming up in just a minute. (A minute later...) Entin: I want to get to the explosive claims, three weeks ago, when former high-level intelligence official, David Grusch, said the U.S. government is secretly in possession of alien spacecraft and the bodies of their pilots. Just hours ago, we finally got Rubio on camera and what he said...it is big news. Senator Rubio says Grusch is not the only high-level government official to come forward with these kinds of claims. There are others, he says. Let me say that again: Grusch, who you saw on our air, is not the only one to come forward, according to Rubio. Others have come forward, in secret, to Congress. NewsNation's Washington correspondent, Joe Khalil, just wrapped up an interview with Rubio a little while ago. He joins me live now. All right, Joe, this is quite a development. I know you've been trying to track down Rubio for quite some time. I don't think any of us expected him to say something this explosive. Break it down for us. Joe Khalil: "Yeah, it was a big deal, Brian. And so, let's start off with the fact that Grusch himself, self-admittedly, is a second-hand witness bringing these claims forward, right? So he is not in the room seeing these alleged aircraft, he's not involved with these alleged programs that exist. But he was talking to people who have seen those things. He was getting information from people who were in those programs. Well, tonight, Senator Rubio said that he, the Senator, has heard from those firsthand-account witnesses to some of these claims. And I tried to press him and ask him in a number of different ways: Okay, the people who are saying that they have seen these things up close and personal, spacecraft, and others, you have heard from those people who've made those claims? And here's what the Senator told us. I'm gonna play a big chunk of our exchange. ~~~Remember, I'm including the full transcript~~~ Joe Khalil: I would like to begin with the whistleblower story, David Grusch, whom I know you are familiar with. I'm just wondering, generally....yes or no, do you find his allegations that he has made, credible? Senator Marco Rubio: While I think more importantly, the Inspector General has referred it to Congress. We have a law for whistleblowers. So they go to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, and then they have an obligation. If they find it to be an urgent concern - a credible and urgent concern - their job is to refer it to Congress, and they have done so. So, obviously... There isn't anything formal we need to do. Although, I know we have spoken to [Grusch] and are familiar with much of his testimony, which, of course, we're not, at this moment, because it's a whistleblower investigation...we really can't talk about it in detail. Although he has talked about it quite in detail. And the gist of any whistleblower testimony is that the intelligence agencies are doing something wrong. And in his case - and this has been publicly reported - the argument is that what they're doing wrong is, they are not appropriately disclosing to Congress, money that has been spent on programs and the like. Now, I wanna caution everybody that, under the law, you have to have firsthand knowledge. That doesn't mean the person isn't telling the truth, but it simply means that, technically, as a technicality, if you don't have firsthand knowledge of what you are claiming? So I can say that someone told me that someone did something wrong, and I have good reason to believe it because I heard it from a lot of different people and they all are saying the same thing. But unless you yourself have firsthand knowledge of it, sometimes you get caught in a technicality. That doesn't mean that the things he is saying are not useful to Congress. And I would put it to people this way: There are one of two things here [that] are true. Either, what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or...we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government, who are crazy, and are leading us on a goose chase. One of these two things is true. Either what they're telling us is true, or we've got some people in important positions that are doing this, for some reason. So, either one is a problem. We gotta figure this out, we can't ignore it. Khalil: Well the reason his (Grusch) story's getting so much attention is because the nature of his allegations are that the government maintains we have a UAP retrieval program that, in its possession, has multiple aircraft that are not made by humans. I mean, what are we to make of that, the public that has to hear that? Rubio: Well, two things. Either, it's not true. And I'm not claiming it is and I'm not besmirching him or anybody else because we passed a law to make it possible for people like this to come forward. Remember, a lot of these people signed these non-disclosure agreements and they're fearful of ever commenting because they think it's punishable by death. So we passed a law that basically said, "You can come forward and talk to Congress or the UAP Task Force." So, I don't wanna say that anybody is not telling the truth. I understand that this is something that sounds fantastic and out of the ordinary. I would just say, if it's even partially true, then somebody's broken the law, there's been some violations, because these things have to be disclosed to Congress. I mean Congress has been paying for it and probably for a long time. I am not in a position to tell you, right now, whether it's true or not true. But [what] I am in a position to tell you is that people - and I think this is true, not just in this case, but going back to some of the things we've heard from Navy pilots, people who we entrusted to do some really important things for our country - are saying some pretty incredible things that I think we have an obligation to take seriously and listen to. Because, you know, I don't think you go from being the commander of a naval fighting wing off an aircraft carrier to being some lunatic that's out to mislead the government. And there you have, you know, testimony from Navy pilots of things they've seen. So that's why this is something... You know, my biggest fear in all this, frankly - and I'm not ruling anything out, obviously - but my biggest fear is that some adversary has made a technological leap. That would be really bad news. And that we have been caught flat footed on it. So, we're taking it seriously, it's bipartisan, everyone's working on it. But look, this is a tough thing to dig into, there's a stigma associated with it, right? I mean, nobody wants to be known as the UFO guy but these are things that are important for us to understand. Khalil: I feel that sometimes when I asked you these questions, so, umm... Rubio: Yeah. No, I get it. No look, but I mean, stuff is flying. What is not disputed is that there are things flying over restricted airspace - sensitive, restricted airspace - in the United States, and they claim it's not ours. That alone is reason to be looking at this stuff. Khalil: He also claims that AARO is not being read in. That whatever this program is - allegedly - is keeping the people who are supposed to be dealing with it in the dark. It's not just about funding, it's about disclosure to AARO as well. Do you think that's realistic? Or, how problematic is that if that's accurate? Rubio: You know, it's very problematic if it's accurate. Because if that is accurate - and again, I'm not in a position yet to make that judgment - what you're basically saying is that within the government of the United States, there's a group of people who believe that they possess something that they don't need to share with anybody, including elected officials, who they view as temporary employees of the government. You know, in essence, some sort of an internal, military complex that's their own government and is accountable to no one. So it would be a huge problem if it's even partially true. So, look, I think AARO and its director, Dr. Kirkpatrick, from everything I've seen up to this point has, is trying to do the best they can to gather...it's a lot of information. We gave them a mandate to go back to the historical records on this. We will know, I think, in time - and I mean, not twenty years from now, but over the next couple of years - whether, in fact, enough information's being shared and whether the analysis is being done and whether there's any impediments. But I certainly think we are getting more information now and more people coming forward than at any time in the history of our country about this. And somewhere out there, I think we need to find answers because, at the end of the day, these are the kinds of...these activities should never be unsupervised. Anytime agencies of the federal government are unsupervised, and do whatever they want, it's generally not a good outcome for the country. Khalil: I'm wondering how much interaction you've had, on Senate Intel, with David Grusch himself, and potentially, how much interaction you all had with the people who do have firsthand knowledge? Have you talked to anybody who he says, "These are my sources, these are the guys that have actually seen firsthand, aircraft"? Have you talked to anybody? Rubio: And I'm not sure he's disclosed these individuals, at least not to us. And so, again, because it's a whistleblower process, not just him, but others, I will say, there are people that have come forward to share information with our committee over the last couple of years. I would imagine some of them are, potentially, some of the same people that perhaps [Grusch is] referring to. I wanna be very protective of these people. A lot of these people came to us even beforethese protections were in the law, for whistleblowers to come forward, and lot of them come [forward]... Khalil: Sorry, people who have had firsthand knowledge, who claim to have firsthand knowledge of seeing this type of thing? Rubio: Or have firsthand knowledge, or firsthand claims of certain things. Some are public figures, you know, and we've heard from them in the past. Others, you know, have not shared publicly. And so we're trying to gather as much of that information as we can, but... And the reason why I'm being cautious, I'm not trying to be evasive, but I am trying to be protective of these people. Some of these people still work in the government, and frankly, a lot of them are very fearful. Fearful of their jobs, fearful of their clearances, fearful of their career. And some, frankly, are fearful of harm coming to them and so I wanna be very, sort of, you know, respectful of that because I don't wanna discourage others from coming forward. Khalil: "Right. And I totally understand. I will never ask you to reveal a source to us. But, I'm just wondering, just so I can 100% clarify: You are saying that...the people who would be whistleblowers, because they would have firsthand knowledge of seeing these kinds of aircraft or they claim that they have seen, those are the category of people you've heard from? Rubio: We've heard from people that are both in the service of our government, and some who used to serve in the past, and some of whom are publicly out there saying these things, sort of saying to us what you've seen out there in the public record. Whether it's about Legacy programs, or about current events, and things that are going on at this moment. Again, we are trying...all of them have, in many cases, understanding of the different elements of this firsthand and they have heard some of the other pieces. And so, I think for us, it's really important to sort of just gather information and understand this. But I think the more we know, the better we are prepared to go down the right roads or on the right paths or ask the right questions. But we're still sort of in that phase where this is new to a lot of people. And there's still a lot of people that I think are starting to edge towards coming forward and we hear may be coming forward but are still trying to see how it plays out for the people that came forward first. Khalil: So that category of people, who have firsthand knowledge, who say they have actually seen these kinds of things, do you find many of them credible? Rubio: Well, I don't find them, either, not credible or credible, because we have no basis of... Understand that some of these claims are things that are beyond sort of the realm of what any of us has ever dealt with. What I think we owe 'em is just a mature, you know, understand and listening and trying to put all these pieces together and just sort of intake the information without any prejudgment or jumping to any conclusions in one direction or another. I will say, I find most of these people, at some point, or maybe even currently, have held very high clearances in high positions within our government. So, you start ask(ing)...you do ask yourself, like, 'What incentive would so many people with that kind of qualification - these are serious people - have to come forward and make something up?' And on the other hand, like I said, I mean, extraordinary claims, you know, it's something that requires a lot of work and to back up. And so, I don't know the answer to it. I think when you're in a fact-finding mission, you're trying not to prejudge anything, you're trying to take in information and you're trying not to rule anything out, or jump to any conclusions because, you know, this is new to everybody. Frankly, I mean, this is not what I thought I would be focused on when I ran for the U.S. Senate, you know? But here it is, and it's, I think, a serious issue. Khalil: Yeah, I understand that. Okay, I'm going to wrap up this topic just with one more question. And that is that...youhave co sponsored an amendment to the Intel Authorization Act, where you said, within six months, you want, "a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material," to make that available to AARO within six months. Can you tell me about that amendment and just, the need to bring it up? Rubio: Yeah, and I mean, @SenGillibrand deserves a lot of credit. She's sort of been the one that's pursuing that and then we wanna be supportive of it. And I think the gist of it is: If, in fact, these claims that are out there are true, thatinformation needs to be provided to the Task Force that we set up to both protect whatever national security equities are in place, and at the same time, gain access to all of this. Now, if the answer that comes back is: "No such material exists," then obviously that goes par for the course because I think you've already seen some of the public statements to that effect. But, when it's in the law, career people, people that are in the service of our government, have to make a decision: Do I just basically ignore the law and the consequences that come with it? No one's ever asked these questions before, this has always been the realm of science fiction. So I think we're simply responding to some of the things that we've seen come out in the public record, and ensuring that we're doing everything we can to make sure that this entity we created called AARO actually has access to information or materials, if in fact they exist. Again, I can't tell you that they do or they don't. I don't know. I don't think anybody knows yet and that's probably the gist of all this is we're trying to find out the answer. ~~~End Rubio Interview~~~ Khalil: So Brian, not exactly saying yes or no that they're credible or not credible, but he said he doesn't see a reason for many of these people to fabricate these kinds of things, and says that they are serious people. And you just heard him: In high levels of the government, some of them even still working in those capacities. He did go on to say, we have to be cautious about this because we don't want to jump to any conclusion, one way or another. Many of these claims, he says, are fantastical, so you just have to stick to where the facts take you. Nonetheless, I think, big revelation tonight from Senator Rubio, and some pretty serious information there. Entin: Yeah, it's just remarkable that he is saying that other whistleblowers have come forward. And what you mentioned, I think, is what really makes this interesting, that these are people with firsthand accounts. Of course, when we had the exclusive with David Grusch, this was information - he's a high-level intelligence officer - but that he was hearing from other colleagues who he worked with. Now Rubio is saying that he is getting firsthand accounts from other high-level officials. I just wanna remind people what David Grusch told us three weeks ago when we had the worldwide exclusive here on NewsNation about this secret government program. I wanna play, again, for people, exactly what Grusch said. ~~~ @rosscoulthart: When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean? David Grusch: These are retrieving, non-human origin, technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft, if you will. Non-human, exotic-origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed. Ross Coulthart: We have spacecraft from another species? David Grusch: We do. ~~~ Entin: Okay, so Rubio, Joe, made clear now that he has heard from other whistleblowers with firsthand accounts. Did he say anything about David Grusch? Has he spoken to David Grusch? Did he say anything about Grusch's credibility? Khalil: What he said was that the Inspector General has found Grusch's claims to be at least worthy of more investigation, and that the Inspector General has found that Grusch is a credible person. Now, the Inspector General's job in this case is to assess that. If they are credible, then they are referred to Congress. And if they are not perceived to be credible, then they don't get to take that extra step. And what Senator Rubio said...he didn't confirm that he has heard directly from David Grusch, but what he said is that the Inspector General did refer him to Congress. So, that, I think, is an important admission in and of itself, there. And he did say, again, that a lot of the claims that he is hearing from firsthand witnesses, sort of track with what we're hearing from David Grusch. Entin: So interesting. And I knew when you told me that you were gonna get this interview tonight, Joe, that it was gonna be revealing, because we have been waiting to hear from Marco Rubio. But I did not expect him to say that they've gotten these firsthand accounts. I mean, just unbelievable stuff. Joe, thank you so much, we appreciate your reporting today. Did this just become way more real? That's the question. Is this shaping up to be the most credible and incredible cover-up claim to reach the public? I want to bring in @nickpopemod, he spent his career investigating UFOs for the British military. Nick, thank you so much for coming on. So you just heard this information. We're really learning this in real time, together. Joe just got that interview with Senator Rubio a couple of hours ago. Do you find this information to be a game changer? Nick Pope: Yes, absolutely. I think you said it right in your introduction to this, when you said that this was a bombshell. And, it is. Ever since NewsNation broke the story of David Grusch and his claims, three weeks ago, there's been a little bit of a whispering campaign going on, trying to portray him as a sort of disgruntled, former employee. Now, to find out other people are standing with him, speaking out, and verifying this information...people still serving. I mean, that is incredible. This is a huge story. Entin: Yeah, and Senator Rubio made clear that they want to protect these whistleblowers because many of them are, essentially, living in fear. And it's his job to keep it secret, to keep their identity secret, which makes perfect sense. But how do we move forward from here, Nick? I mean, if we wanna keep the identities secret? We know that the House is planning hearings coming up next month. What's next? How does this all play out? Pope: Well, I think the intelligence committees, both in the Senate and the House, have to drive this forward. And they also have to talk to the Armed Services Committee, who also are looking at the whole UFO issue. But let's be frank on this: Congress, I think, are furious about this, because, for years, they were told there wasn't even a program looking at this subject. Now they're being told, not only is there a program, maybe multiple programs, but it's been hidden from Congress, and Congress has been unable to carry out its lawful and constitutional oversight of this. So, I think Congressneeds to really be aggressive on this and push the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community really, really hard, and protect these people, too, by the way. Entin: Do you think now is the moment, Nick, where we're going to see more whistleblowers come forward? I mean, it certainly seems like it's already happening, based on what Senator Rubio said. Pope: Yes, absolutely. I one-hundred percent predict that over the next few days and weeks, we will hear the names of other individuals who have not spoken out before. There's safety in numbers, I think. People are cautious about this. But once the first few speak out, I think others come forward and say, "You know what? Now is the time to speak out." And you do not even get in the room with people like Rubio and the staffers without passing muster, in terms of the vetting. So when the question from Joe was, "Are these people credible?" I don't think, as I say, that you even get through the door unless they've done their vetting, and found the people and the information credible. Entin: And look, I mean, I was just thinking this through as we've been covering the story the last couple of weeks. If they're not credible, that would mean that we have people in the highest levels of the intel community, in our government, with the highest level of secret clearance, that are either liars, or have just gone crazy. Pope: Yes, absolutely. Either way, this would be a big issue. But, you know, you can understand maybe the vetting process fails, and one or two people slip through the net? But by all accounts, I'm hearing that that maybe as many as two dozen people have have come forward. And when Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who heads up the Pentagon's AARO office - that has the lead on this - when he last spoke to Congress, he said people were coming forward to him, too. So, I mean, it's incredible at the moment. You've got people coming to the DoD, you've got people coming to Congress, you've got people coming to the media, but all of them are telling a consistent story. You know, these rumors that have been around for decades, what they're saying is, "They're true." #ufotwitter #uaptwitter #ufos #ufo #uap #aliens
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SO! NASA "quietly" (to add to intrigue) deploys "planetary" [ie WORLD AUTHORITY is sought & Needed(?!)] defense (Usa spelling in DMail, omg) against interstellar "Visitors" [Calm down! It's about flying rocks visiting (like made the Gulf Of Mexico in geological time), not its Alien innuendo!]. Let's get real. The globalists & their PR news managers never miss a chance to turn an event, real or manufactured, into a PSYOP! #3IATLAS is a brilliant Psyop tool - calling for world, WEF, etc. government (tyranny) & mega tech spending for "defense"; meaning what? You can't stop a flying rock. Oh, hang on, #BillGates can develop a vaccine to render a comet and any aliens, just in case, therein, harmless. It'll need a STRONG WORLD AUTHORITY (Tyranny) to forcibly unite everyone (for the greater good) against the Alien (which might be just a flying rock) threat. The reportage of #3IATLAS is riddled with UNVERIFIED "fact", fiction, imaginative AI well prepared Vids of MotherShips/alien probes as in Hollywood, crazy claims* that #3IATLAS "changed course" (*then denied) and alarmist hit-seekers wild narcissistic fantasies; in equal measure. When the fantasies and deliberate misinformation are gone along with #3IATLAS, l think It'll be clear that the only aliens are the globalists who are alien to accountable democracy and freedom and will use the "near miss" of #3IATLAS as "godsent proof" we need WEF tyranny running a NEW world of what i call "privatised communism". On the question were the globalists just acting fast when #3IATLAS appeared and didn't expect this event, I point out #3IATLAS was spotted on 1st July 2025 and the hyperbolic track would have been worked out in a week or so to give its arrival nearest us to within a day. THAT'S OVER 3 MONTHS of PR prep. It's been done well with fake intrigue and all (a bit like the Moon "Landing" drama, oh "we'll have to move a bit further for smoother ground" before The Eagle could land)! BREAK the #AlienCon! dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/…
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Because these guys are frauds who are more concerned about winning a popularity contest and selling out the next alienCon. Ufology is now a hobby for government employees who are going through a mid life crisis and want to add to their retirement. Its a joke.
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