There are many thousands of us who have travelled the same political journey: Labour, then Conservative, then Reform, and now Restore. We've been called racists, bigots, extremists, fascists, Nazis, thick, gullible, uneducated and every other insult imaginable for the best part of a decade.
We didn't care then, and we don't care now.
There is not a single insult Reform, Labour, the Conservatives, the media, or anyone else can throw at us that will make us think, "You know what, you've called me enough names, I'll vote for you after all."
When Steve Laws gave that interview, he was a Reform voter. The rest of us are not responsible for everything every voter says any more than Labour is responsible for every racist, antisemite or criminal who votes Labour, or the Greens are responsible for every extremist who supports them.
Political parties are not elected to spend their time denouncing voters. They are elected to present policies, a manifesto and a vision for government. People then decide whether they support it.
If unsavoury people happen to agree with some of those policies, so what? That has been true of every political movement in history.
The mistake Reform made was deciding that some voters were acceptable and others were not. They started drawing distinctions between respectable supporters and the grotty, angry, working-class people who had spent years being ignored by Westminster and mocked by the media. Instead of listening to them, they sneered at them.
Now many of those same people have left for Restore.
And after spending two years insulting them, Reform supporters seem genuinely confused as to why they don't want to come back.
If you cannot grasp the simple fact that berating voters is not a winning electoral strategy, then you have no business trying to run a country.
The people leaving Reform for Restore, are the ones you said you didn't want. You were all so arrogant that you had the luxury of picking choosing your voters, you're now crying in to your milkshake that they're voting for someone else.