Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
This is a Misconception. Bank Interest is Riba
One of the defining characteristics of a Shubha (misconception), is that it masquerades as deep, enlightened research. It dresses itself in classical terminology and exploits minority historical anomalies to look like the truth, precisely because it aligns with human whims and the desire for easy, risk-free returns.
To the untrained eye, it looks academic. But when the card deck is separated by those grounded in knowledge, the flaws and falsehoods are laid bare for all to see.
I shouldnโt have refuted this brother because I had initially saw what he wrote and I intentionally didnt want to draw attention to it. However, I believe the calls and tags are enough. Our people should not be swindled by this kind of deceptive wordplay.
In light of this, let me prepare your mind that this refutation will be long, and itโs purely academic. So, let us lay out his claims side by side with the true position of Islamic jurisprudence to show the clear flaws in his understanding.
(1). The first of his gaps is the currency loophole.
He said: Modern paper currency is identical to classical copper tokens (Fulus). Because early scholars did not apply the strict rules of gold and silver usury to copper tokens, modern paper money is exempt from the laws of Riba. He tried to use a narrative about Abu Dharr buying copper tokens to back this up.
When the statement above is placed under the textual lenses of the Sharia, it is clear that this is a major misunderstanding of monetary history and law.
Classical Fulus were minor token change used for cheap items like vegetables because you could not cut a gold Dinar into tiny pieces. Modern paper currency does not function like minor copper change. It has complete monetary status (Thamaniyyah). It is the global medium of exchange, the measure of value, and the store of wealth.
To show his flaw, we look at the words of Imam Malik ibn Anas in Al-Mudawwanah (Vol. 3, p. 90.) He explicitly stated that monetary value is determined by its social function as a currency, not the material it is printed on:
ููุงู ู
ุงูู: ูู ุฃู ุงููุงุณ ุฃุฌุงุฒูุง ุจูููู
ุงูุฌููุฏ ุญุชู ุชููู ููุง ุณูุฉ ูุนูู ููุฑูุช ุฃู ุชุจุงุน ุจุงูุฐูุจ ูุงููุฑู ูุธุฑุฉ
"Malik said: If the people were to make leather tokens legal tender among themselves, such that they possess a coin-stamp and function as money, I would strictly forbid them to be exchanged for gold or silver with any delay on credit."
He also tried to hide behind Ibn Taymiyyah,however, Ibn Taymiyyah in Majmu' al-Fatawa, Book of Fiqh, Vol. 29, p. 404, stated that when Fulus become a widely circulating medium of exchange, they carry the identical ruling of gold and silver:
ูุฅุฐุง ุตุงุฑุช ุงููููุณ ุฃุซู
ุงูุง ุตุงุฑ ูููุง ุงูู
ุนูู ููุง ูุจุงุน ุซู
ู ุจุซู
ู ุฅูู ุฃุฌู... ูุฅู ุงููููุณ ุงููุงููุฉ ูุบูุจ ุนูููุง ุญูู
ุงูุฃุซู
ุงู ูุชุฌุนู ู
ุนูุงุฑ ุฃู
ูุงู ุงููุงุณ
"When copper coins (fulus) become price-currencies, they carry the same underlying legal meaning, so a price-currency cannot be sold for another price-currency with a delay; for widely circulating fulus are dominated by the ruling of price-currencies and are made the measure of people's wealth."
In fact, the global consensus of contemporary jurists through the International Islamic Fiqh Academy completely closed this door decades ago. They stated in Resolution No. 21 (3/9) Third Session, Vol. 3, p. 1645:
ุจุฎุตูุต ุฃุญูุงู
ุงูุนู
ูุงุช ุงููุฑููุฉ: ุฃููุง ูููุฏ ุงุนุชุจุงุฑูุฉุ ูููุง ุตูุฉ ุงูุซู
ููุฉ ูุงู
ูุฉุ ูููุง ุงูุฃุญูุงู
ุงูุดุฑุนูุฉ ุงูู
ูุฑุฑุฉ ููุฐูุจ ูุงููุถุฉ ู
ู ุญูุซ ุฃุญูุงู
ุงูุฑุจุงุ ูุงูุฒูุงุฉุ ูุงูุณูู
ุ ูุณุงุฆุฑ ุฃุญูุงู
ูุง
"Regarding the rulings on paper currencies: They are fiat money possessing complete monetary value. They carry the identical Shari'ah rulings established for gold and silver concerning the laws of Riba, Zakat, Salam, and all other transactions."
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim
Bank Interest Is Not Riba
Before discussing interest, it is necessary to clear up a common misconception among Muslims: that loans in the modern banking system are identical to the concept of a loan in the Shari'a. In reality, the Shari'a definition of a loan does not exist within the current banking system.
A loan (Al-Qard) from an Islamic perspective is a transaction where one person provides another with something of financial value purely as a favor. It does not imply the permissibility of unlawful usufruct, and the condition is that the lender will receive back only the equivalent of what was originally given, no more, no less.
This concept differs significantly from the loans provided by banks. Bank financing is not a favor; it is a business transaction. It typically takes the form of Al-Qirad (ุงูููุฑุงุถ), a classical Islamic term synonymous with Mudarabah (ุงูู
ูุถุงุฑูุจุฉ), which is a partnership where one party provides capital and the other provides labor/management, or general Finance (ุงูุชู
ููู), which is the activity of managing, allocating, and investing funds to achieve productive or consumer goals while establishing a clear mechanism for repayment. Since banks are not charitable organizations, they cannot be accused of exploiting the weak in the same way a predatory lender would.
In Islamic Shari'a, there are 25 recognized types of financial transactions, whereas the conventional banking system utilizes over 70. Crucially, it is the true nature and substance of these transactions that must be evaluated, rather than their superficial labels. As the legal maxim states: โุงูุนุจุฑุฉ ุจุงูุญูุงุฆู ูุง ุงูู
ุณู
ูุงุชโ (Regard is given to the core realities, not to the names or terms used).
Ibn Taymiyyah explained in his work that introducing new forms of transactions beyond these 25 classical models is entirely permissible. Consequently, we should not constrain ourselves by trying to fit every modern financial instrument into one of these 25 traditional archetypes. Instead, we must analyze the true economic nature of new transactions and ensure they align with Islamic principles. Hence, they are governed by the fundamental legal maxim:
โูุง ุถุฑุฑ ููุง ุถุฑุงุฑโ
(There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm).
The Misunderstanding of Terminology
Much of the confusion stems from the use of shared terminology, similar to the history of coffee (Al-Qahwa). Historically, the word Al-Qahwa was one of the many names for alcohol. When people asked scholars about the ruling on Al-Qahwa, they received a verdict of Haram. This continued for over a century until Sheikh Zakariyya Al-Ansary (author of Lubbul Usul) decided to investigate. He gathered ten students from Al-Azhar and prepared Al-Qahwa for them without their knowledge. As they drank and discussed knowledge, he observed how sharp and sound-minded they remained. He concluded that this was not the alcohol previously prohibited, and he distinguished it by renaming it Qahwatul Bunn.
A similar scenario occurred with photography. For over a century, it was forbidden in the Islamic world because it shared the same Arabic name as carving sculptures (At-Taswir). Eventually, the Mufti of Egypt, Muhammad Bakheet, who was among the most knowledgeable of the Muftis in Egypt's history, wrote a short book titled Al-jawabu Ash-Shafy fi Ibahati at-taswiril photography, explaining how these were two different things, despite sharing the same name.
In banking, the term "speculation" is used for both Al-Mudarabah and Al-Muqamarah (gambling). Any scholar who is asked about the ruling on "speculation" and interprets it as gambling will naturally forbid it. This is the reality regarding the word "loan" in the financial system; it does not match the legal definition of Al-Qard in Islamic law.
Defining Bank Interest and Riba
Bank interest is defined by the Bank of London as the cost of borrowing and a reward for saving. Money saved by customers is lent to other customers in need (not as a favor or charity). This money loses purchasing power over time due to inflation and other factors. Interest from the money borrowed is used to compensate the owner and restore the purchasing power of that money. In reality, it is not truly an increment on the initial capital.
However, many people confuse this with Riba, which affects loans in the Islamic sense. What then is Riba?
Riba is forbidden by the Law, and no Muslim scholar disagrees on this. In fact, whoever disputes its prohibition is on the verge of Kufr by rejecting a clear message of the Holy Qur'an.
In Shari'a, Ibn al-Arabi explains:
ยซุฃุญูุงู
ุงููุฑุขู ูุงุจู ุงูุนุฑุจู ุท ุงูุนูู
ูุฉยป (1/ 320):
ยซ[ู
ุณุฃูุฉ ูู ุฒูุงุฏุฉ ูู
ููุงุจููุง ุนูุถ]
ุงูู
ุณุฃูุฉ ุงูุซุงูุซุฉ: ูุงู ุนูู
ุงุคูุง: ุงูุฑุจุง ูู ุงููุบุฉ ูู ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉุ ููุง ุจุฏ ูู ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉ ู
ู ู
ุฒูุฏ ุนููู ุชุธูุฑ ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉ ุจูุ ููุฃุฌู ุฐูู ุงุฎุชูููุง ูู ูู ุนุงู
ุฉ ูู ุชุญุฑูู
ูู ุฑุจุงุ ุฃู ู
ุฌู
ูุฉ ูุง ุจูุงู ููุง ุฅูุง ู
ู ุบูุฑูุงุ ูุงูุตุญูุญ ุฃููุง ุนุงู
ุฉุ ูุฃููู
ูุงููุง ูุชุจุงูุนูู ููุฑุจููุ ููุงู ุงูุฑุจุง ุนูุฏูู
ู
ุนุฑููุงุ ูุจุงูุน ุงูุฑุฌู ุงูุฑุฌู ุฅูู ุฃุฌูุ ูุฅุฐุง ุญู ุงูุฃุฌู ูุงู: ุฃุชูุถู ุฃู
ุชุฑุจูุ ูุนูู ุฃู
ุชุฒูุฏูู ุนูู ู
ุงูู ุนููู ูุฃุตุจุฑ ุฃุฌูุง ุขุฎุฑ. ูุญุฑู
ุงููู ุชุนุงูู ุงูุฑุจุงุ ููู ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉุ ูููู ูู
ุง ูุงู ูู
ุง ูููุง ูุง ุชุธูุฑ ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉ ุฅูุง ุนูู ู
ุฒูุฏ ุนูููุ ูู
ุชู ูุงุจู ุงูุดูุก ุบูุฑ ุฌูุณู ูู ุงูู
ุนุงู
ูุฉ ูู
ุชุธูุฑ ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉุ ูุฅุฐุง ูุงุจู ุฌูุณู ูู
ุชุธูุฑ ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉ ุฃูุถุง ุฅูุง ุจุฅุธูุงุฑ ุงูุดุฑุนุ ููุฃุฌู ูุฐุง ุตุงุฑุช ุงูุขูุฉ ู
ุดููุฉ ุนูู ุงูุฃูุซุฑุ ู
ุนููู
ุฉ ูู
ู ุฃูุฏู ุงููู ุชุนุงูู ุจุงูููุฑ ุงูุฃุธูุฑ.ยป
"Ahkam al-Qur'an by Ibn al-Arabi (Dar al-Kutub al-Ilmiyyah edition)" (1/320):
[Issue: Every increase that is not countered by a consideration/repayment]
The Third Issue: Our scholars have stated: Linguistically, Riba means 'increase' (surplus). In any increase, there must necessarily be a base amount (the principle) against which the increase becomes apparent. Because of this, scholars differed as to whether the [Quranic] verse is general in its prohibition of all forms of Riba, or whether it is homonymous/ambiguous (mujmal) and cannot be clarified except through external evidence.
The correct view is that it is general, because people used to engage in trade and practice Riba, and Riba was well-known among them. A man would sell to another man for a deferred period. When the term expired, he would say: 'Will you settle [the debt], or will you increase?', meaning: 'Will you add an increase to the capital I gave you, and in return, I will grant you a further extension of time?'
Thus, Allah the Almighty prohibited Riba, which is the increase. However, since an increase, as we have established, cannot become apparent except when compared to a base amount, the increase is not readily apparent when an item is exchanged for a different genus/category in a transaction. Likewise, when it is exchanged for its own genus, the increase only becomes fully apparent through the clarification of the Divine Law (Shari'ah). For this reason, the verse became problematic for the majority, yet clear to those whom Allah the Almighty has supported with the clearest light."
The most important point is that the Shari'a defines what is affected by Riba. On this note, the currency used today, known as fulus, is not considered a usury-affected item according to the four schools of thought.
Ibn al-Musayyib, who is considered the most knowledgeable among the Tabi'un regarding finance, stated that Riba only affects gold and silver, or anything measured by scale or weight. In Muwadda Malik:
ูุญุฏุซูู ุนู ู
ุงููุ ุนู ุฃุจู ุงูุฒูุงุฏุ ุฃูู ุณู
ุน ุณุนูุฏ ุจู ุงูู
ุณูุจ ูููู: ยซูุง ุฑุจุง ุฅูุง ูู ุฐูุจ ุฃู ูู ูุถุฉุ ุฃู ู
ุง ููุงู ุฃู ููุฒู ุจู
ุง ูุคูู ุฃู ูุดุฑุจยป
"And he (the narrator) narrated to me from Malik, from Abu al-Zinad, that he heard Sa'id ibn al-Musayyib say: 'There is no Riba (usury/interest) except in gold or silver, or in what is measured or weighed of that which is eaten or drunk.'"
The Prophet (SAW) mentioned items affected by Riba in his Hadith:
ูุงู ุฑุณูู ุงููู ุตูู ุงููู ุนููู ูุณูู
: "ุงูุฐูุจ ุจุงูุฐูุจุ ูุงููุถุฉ ุจุงููุถุฉุ ูุงูุจุฑ ุจุงูุจุฑุ ูุงูุดุนูุฑ ุจุงูุดุนูุฑุ ูุงูุชู
ุฑ ุจุงูุชู
ุฑุ ูุงูู
ูุญ ุจุงูู
ูุญุ ู
ุซูุง ุจู
ุซูุ ูุฏุง ุจูุฏุ ูู
ู ุฒุงุฏ ุฃู ุงุณุชุฒุงุฏ ููุฏ ุฃุฑุจูุ ุงูุขุฎุฐ ูุงูู
ุนุทู ููู ุณูุงุก."
"The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'Gold for gold, silver for silver, wheat for wheat, barley for barley, dates for dates, and salt for salt, like for like, equal for equal, hand to hand (immediate exchange). Whoever increases or asks for an increase has engaged in Riba. The taker and the giver in this are the same.'"
Any item not mentioned in the Hadith can only be subject to these rulings if it shares the same legal reason (โillah) through Qiyas (analogical reasoning). Scholars after the four Imams, majorly after the oil embargo, tried to include fulus in the rulings of gold and silver, arguing that it is now used for trade. They overlooked the fact that fulus was in use during the time of the Prophet (SAW).
Ibn Kathir, in his Tafsir, mentioned how Abu Dharr (RA) differed with other companions on the meaning of the verse:
ยซูุงูุฐูู ูููุฒูู ุงูุฐูุจ ูุงููุถุฉยป
(And those who hoard gold and silver...).
He held the opinion that whoever kept gold or silver in his possession without giving it out in charity had fallen under Allah's curse. The companions cautioned him, telling him that was not the intended meaning. Mu'awiyah (RA) tested his conviction by giving him his share from the Baitul-Maal. Imam Ahmad reported:
> ููุงู ุงูุฅูู
ุงู
ุฃุญู
ุฏ ุนู ุนุจุฏ ุงููู ุจู ุงูุตุงู
ุช ุฑุถู ุงููู ุนูู ุฃูู ูุงู ู
ุน ุฃุจู ุฐุฑุ ูุฎุฑุฌ ุนุทุงุคูุ ูู
ุนู ุฌุงุฑูุฉุ ูุฌุนูุช ุชูุถู ุญูุงุฆุฌูุ ููุถูุช ู
ุนูุง ุณุจุนุฉุ ูุฃู
ุฑูุง ุฃู ุชุดุชุฑู ุจู ูููุณูุงยป
"And Imam Ahmad narrated from Abdullah ibn al-Samit (may Allah be pleased with him) that he was with Abu Dharr when his stipend arrived. He had a slave girl with him who used to take care of his needs, and there remained with her seven [units of currency]; so he commanded her to buy *fulus* (small copper coins) with them."
This shows that fulus was in circulation, and that Abu Dharr knew the rulings of gold and silver did not apply to fulus, which is why he ordered her to exchange the currency for them.
In essence, since the Shari'a did not include fulus in the list of items affected by Riba, no one else can. This is what Ibn al-Arabi meant by:
ูุฅุฐุง ูุงุจู ุงูุดูุก ุฌูุณู ูู
ุชุธูุฑ ูุฐู ุงูุฒูุงุฏุฉ ุฅูุง ุจุฅุธูุงุฑ ู
ู ุงูุดุฑุน.
"And when a thing is exchanged for its own kind, this increase does not become apparent except through an explicit declaration from the Shari'a."
To further clarify this, I will mention an incident between Mu'awiyah and Umar (RA). When Umar appointed Mu'awiyah as his Governor in Syria, Mu'awiyah wrote to him:
ุฅูู ูุฌุฏุช ุฃู
ูุงู ุฃูู ุงูุดุงู
ุงูุฎูู ูุงูุฑููู. ููุชุจ ุฅููู ุนู
ุฑ ุฃู ุฏุนูู
ุง. ูุงุณุชุดุงุฑ ุนุซู
ุงู ููุงู ูู ู
ุซู ู
ุง ูุงู ุนู
ุฑ.
"'I found that the wealth of the people of Syria consists of horses and slaves.' So, Umar wrote to him [instructing him] to leave them [untaxed]. Then he consulted Uthman (RA), and he said to him the same as what Umar had said."
Mu'awiyah wanted them to pay Zakah, but because the Shari'a did not impose it on horses and slaves, no one is allowed to.
Sheikh Abubakar Mahmud Gumi said:
๏ดฟ ููู
ูุญููู ุงูููููู ุงูุฑููุจูุง ๏ดพ ูููุตู ููุฐูุจ ุจุฑูุชู ๏ดฟ ููููุฑูุจูู ุงูุตููุฏูููุงุชู ๏ดพ ุฃู ูุฒูุฏูุง ูููู
ููุง ููุถุงุนู ุซูุงุจูุง ๏ดฟ ููุงูููููู ููุง ููุญูุจูู ููููู ูููููุงุฑู ๏ดพ ุจุชุญููู ุงูุฑุจุง ๏ดฟ ุฃูุซููู
ู ๏ดพ ูุงุฌุฑ ุจุฃููู ุฃู ูุนุงูุจู.ูุงุฆุฏุฉ : ู
ุนุฑูู ุฃู ุจููุน ุงูุฑุจุง ู
ููุฏุฉ ุนูู ุนููู ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุฑุจููุฉ ูุง ุนูู ููู
ูุงุ ูุฃูุฑุงู ุงูุจููู ุฃู ุงูุนู
ูุฉ ุงูู
ุณุชุนู
ูุฉ ุงูููู
ููู
ููุง ูู ุงูุจููู ู
ู ุงูุฃู
ูุงู ูุฅู ูุงูุช ุชุณุชุนู
ู ููุฃุซู
ุงูุ ููู ู
ุจูุน ุซู
ูู ูููุณ ูู ุซู
ูู ุฑุจููุงู. ูุนูู ูุฐุง ูููุงุฆุฏ ุงูุจููู ุฃุฌูุฑ. ูุงููู ุฃุนูู
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"276: 'Allah destroys interest and gives increase for charities...'
Sheikh Abubakar Gumi said: It is well known that usurious transactions are restricted to the specific physical commodities subject to usury, not to their values. Banknotes or currency used today serve as values held in banks against properties, even if they are used as prices. Thus, every sold item has a monetary value, but not every monetary item is subject to usury rules. Based on this, bank interest [or profits] is considered wages. And Allah knows best."
Everything we have mentioned applies equally to the so-called Islamic banks. They have simply modified their procedures and renamed some of their transaction types, calling them Mudharabah and rewarding their customers with profits.
Allah knows best.