Carns is on manoeuvres.
He's shimmied his way into the Burnham takeover bid, both of whom are now proposing welfare cuts to fund more bombs.
A fairly shamless power grab and weaponising welfare, like the Tories and Reform love to do.
Carns is asked where the extra £ for defence should come from.
".. I think there are places, such as moving welfare from hand outs to hand ups"
Describing welfare as hand outs tells us all about Carns politics & who he wants to target - the sick, disabled, low paid, pensioners