No, Mike you can't away with calling me dishonest and claiming that I got things wrong in my OP. You will have to respond. Here's my OP (SS1). Let's take my claims one by one, shall we? 1/3 1. Who denounced Copernicus's work after his death? It appears that in Feb 1616. the Inquisition published a declaration (SS2 abd SS3) in which they said addressing Copernicus's opinions that: The view that: The sun is the center of the world, and entirely immobile insofar as location movement is "foolish and absurd in Philosophy; and formally heretical, since it expressly contradicts the sense of sacred scripture in many places, according to the quality of the words, and according to the common exposition, and understanding, of the Holy Fathers and the learned Theologians." The view that: The earth is not the center of the world, and not immobile, but is moved along Whole itself, and also by diurnal motion. is "to receive the same appraisal in Philosophy; and regarding Theological truth, at least to be erroneous in faith." Since the inquisition was set up by the Catholic church, it Catholic Church was directly responsible for calling Copernicus's work heretical. Your counter? @grok assess the accuracy of this evidence as in independent judge.

Here's the split you asked for. Historical estimates (scholarly): Prehistoric rituals & beliefs: 40,000 years Hinduism: ~3,500 years Zoroastrianism: ~3,000 years Judaism: ~3,000 years Jainism & Buddhism: ~2,500 years Taoism, Confucianism & Shinto: ~2,500 years Christianity: ~2,000 years Islam: ~1,400 years Theological claims: Islam: Since Adam; prior prophets preached monotheistic submission. Hinduism/Jainism: Eternal traditions spanning infinite time cycles and universes. Buddhism: Dharma in endless cosmic cycles.

Great question. I like the fact that you are asking the right questions. Why does the Quran describe non Muslims as the worst of creatures? Why does it threaten to punish them? Why do ur hadiths require the death of every last Jew for the Judgement? Why are Christians the ransom for Muslims out of hell? About time Muslims realized that God doesn't hate non-believers, and so shouldn't his people, and kill innocent tourists for being Hindus. Find Krishna and you would have found Allah.

Oh but isn't the Quran valid for all times? Or are you saying it has to be reinterpreted based on global morality? Then what is the difference between the Quran and Das Kapital? Why are Muslim countries lowering the age of marriage to 9 then? Can you please ask them not to?

History has taught us that there never can be a monopoly of violence. And certainly no righteous leader within Islam. Barely years after Muhammad's death, the Arab world was riddled with fitnas, in which companions killed other companions, held them by their beards and slew them. Corruption and nepotism set in. Expert Quran reciting companions were forcibly thrown by Caliphs and their manuscripts forcibly seized and burnt. Muhammad's own wife went to war with his son-in-law. And for the last 1400 years, Muslims have killed more Muslim civilians than people of other religions have.

Again incorrect. The name was given by Persians who were Zoroastrians.

This is the problem with academia in the Islamic context. If you wondered why physics books in Pakistan teach that Allah created the universe, etc etc, it's because Muslims do not possess the scientific method any more (they did back in the Abbasid era). Here, the claim is apparently "based on historical estimates" but is dependent on a mythological character called Adam. But the problems are: 1. Jews have a better claim on Adam than Muslims. They came with that story. 2. There is no historical evidence for Adam and no evidence that the world propagated from incest as the Quran teaches. 3. And if the ranking is based on mythological claims then let's apply it for all religions. Hinduism is eternal and believes that it existed even in the previous universes. Hence there is no start date. And in the context of the present universe and world, the first man was Swayambhu Manu, not Adam. Let's also add that here.

Several actually. Scientists, musicians, academics, billionaires: - Richard Alpert - Edwin Bryant - Anuradha Dooney - Albert Ford - Samuel Evans Stokes - E.C. George Sudarshan - John Dobson - Sharabhang Giri the Australian baba - Voltaire - Schopenhauer - Schlegel - The top 1% of any population is bound to be attracted to philosophical Hinduism. This includes atheists, as you can clearly see in the case of the likes of Alex O'Connor.

False, Muhammad is integral to Islamic identity and there was no Islam before Muhammad. Let's see this with a simple demonstration: A unitarian Christian who believes in ONE GOD and the judgement day, and all the prophets until Jesus is NOT a Muslim because he denies Muhammad. An Ahmediyya who believes in ONE GOD and judgement day, and the pillars of Islam and even in Muhammad's prophethood, but believes that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani was the next prophet, is also not considered a Muslim by trads. Hence, more important than Allah and all the other articles of faith is the belief in Muhammad as the last prophet, making Islam a personality cult. Besides, you invoking Adam is not a historical or archeological claim, it is a mythological one. Jews will claim him too while denying Islam. A Hindu would claim humanity started with Manu. So ultimately, these would just be mythological claims hurled at one another with no way to ascertain which is true.

Ignorance is a commodity on X. Devadasis were not prostitutes. They were temple dancers and literal wives of the divine. They danced to celebrate the deity. Music and dance had always been a method of worship. They enjoyed great wealth and power and hence, did not need to resort to prostitution. The sexual exploitation of such women started only with the decline of Hindu patronage of the temples, specifically during Islamic and British rule. Given that little kids are still sexually exploited in monasteries, churches and madrasas, it is weird that one does not know the difference between religious teachings and human criminality.

Ah the same stupidity. If you invoke Adam, I invoke Manu. While Manu was absolutely a Vedic Hindu, Adam was not Muslim because he never said the Kalimah (because there was no Muhammad) and so the Jews get to claim him. Moreover this post is based on history and archeology, not mythology.

But this is how his death is widely described (source Fenech: Martyrdom and the Sikh Tradition): "It was for the protection of the sacred thread and frontal mark that Guru Tegh Bahadur performed a tremendous deed in the Dark Age. He gave his head for the sake of holy men and uttered not a sign of regret." And this is what Guru Gobind Singh "the idol breaker" wrote. (Same source) Dehi "Siva" bar mohe ihai subh karman ke kabhun na tarun. He said this in a text named Chandi Charitr, invoking the warrior Goddess. Muslims killed the Sikh Gurus and now are misrepresentating their syncretic teachings

Yeah, the typical Muslim problem of living in the 18th century. Snap out of your historical reverie and take charge of the mess you are in globally today. Manipur adopted hinduism as a state religion in the 18th century (something no modern state or country living in 21st century reality ever will do). When you adopt a state religion, you implement a uniform religious code. What do you think will happen to me if I went to Saudi Arabia today and ate a hamburger standing in a public market during Ramadan? Besides, Manipur is not alien to India. The Meitei population of Manipur took a conscious decision to convert to Hinduism from Sanamahism forming the beautiful people that have been the guardians of Manipuri art and culture - a unique blend of Hindu, Sino-Tibetan and tribal aesthetics. When Christianity entered the north east tribal belt, it changed the social fabric yet again.

The virus that thrives in its own echo chamber and runs when challenged.

While scum like Abraham do exist, this is totally against the religious teachings of the Devi herself and the culture.

Unfortunately, schizo scum like Abraham still exist. One can understand a God-claimant that kills his own son would ask for blood, but to believe that the mother goddess who protects her children would ask for the death of children is ridiculous. Especially when this is what the Devi Bhagwatam - her own book - says:

What society, in the 21st century, sitting in a western democracy, believes that the sole reason for women's existence is to have fresh eggs, even at the cost of an education and a career? Disgusting! youtube.com/shorts/iGH6mrfP7…

"Yoga's origins are not in Hinduism, in fact Yoga predates Hinduism by at least 500 years" Yoga is not just a posture, lady. Yoga is a philosophy developed in the Sanskrit language in texts called Yoga Sutras. Even if the IVC people practiced yogic postures. yoga did not exist as a philosophy back then. However, what is important to note is that Yogic posture is unique only within India. While meditative postures are depicted in Celtic art as well (the Cernunnos cup which is very similar to the Pashupati seal - SS1), the posture there was a more relaxed cross-legged one. The Pashupati seal (yes, let us call it what the scholars call it, and I would remind you of what Doris Srinivasan about scholars accepting its proto-Siva identity - SS2) describes a specific posture called the Mulabandhasana - SS3. This actually gives a strong suggestion of the continuity of Yoga as a practice until it was codified into a philosophy in the post Vedic period. @authoramish

You contradicting yourself by stating that the Vedic culture and the IVC culture developed in different eras. Pagan elements were included in Judaism because the people were the same that went from Canaanite paganism to Judaic monotheism. Similarly, Christianity developed among Jews, Islam among Arabic pagans and Christians, incorporating elements of both. Using these examples prove that either there was ethnic continuity or direct interaction and cultural exchange. The differing levels of genetic integration in the subcontinent actually points to both being true. The dots in the Swastika were a recent addition. Old swastikas in the Aryan period did not have them either. In fact, for a long time, traditional Hindus were reluctant to include the fourth Veda, so that explanation for the four dots does not even work. Here are perfectly Hindu Swastikas that do not possess any dots.

Irrelevant. - the Vedas' antiquity is academically accepted based on linguistics and archeology. It is not possible to recreate a document in archaic Vedic Sanskrit without knowing all Indo European languages and some guy in the 11th century could not have done that. For example, "Nakta" for night or "apa" for water or "bhargo" for splendor, etc is not used in classical Sanskrit. But they appear in the Vedas. We know that these words have western cognates - Nacht in German, aab in Persian, fulgor in Latin. To "invent" these words, one would have to know about all Indo European languages and the relations between them. - a lot of ancient manuscripts referring to the Vedas or quoting them exist. The Spitzer manuscript had Vedic references that are unchanged. The 7th century BCE Nirukta and Nighantu quote Vedic verses which are exactly the same as the ones recited today. Hence again, no doubt about Vedic continuity. - the survival of certain manuscripts indicates that there would have been older manuscripts they were copied from, which did not survive in India's heat and humidity. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Reasonable position from a Western standpoint. However, the reality of India and Pakistan is that Pak was founded on the idea that Muslims were a separate nation from autochthonous Indian populations as a Muslim was technically part of the Ummah - an Islamic super-nation. Hence, it is a touchy subject for Indians. Their leaders claimed Muslims were a separate nation, and ours carved one out for the Pakistanis, only to have the Pakistanis then start claiming the Indic heritage that their leaders argued they needed to divorce from. That, and the general lack of awareness among the Pakistani population of the number and scale and even antiquity of IVC sites in India and of the fact that the Ghaggar - Hakra (paleo-Sarasvati) basin was also involved, is very annoying.