"LM Arena is a cancer on AI. Labs have entire teams dedicated to hacking it."
Edwin Chen (
@echen), CEO of Surge AI, on why the industry's favorite benchmark is broken and how Surge hit $1.2 billion in revenue without ever raising.
Aravind Srinivas (
@AravSrinivas), CEO of Perplexity, on Apple's AI advantage, Claude Code economics, the endgame of coding, and Perplexity Computer.
They join
@Jason on This Week in AI Episode 10:
00:00 Intro to Aravind Srinivas and Edwin Chen
05:25 Edwin on Surge: School for AGI
10:47 What Apple's next CEO should do
21:20 "The iPhone is not getting disrupted by AI"
23:55 Bootstrapping Surge past $1B without raising
30:58 Claude Code as a loss leader
33:30 Are we in the endgame for coding?
41:34 30% headcount growth, 5x revenue
50:29 "People don't buy models, they buy products"
58:00 "LM Arena is a cancer on AI"
1:05:41 Model Council and orchestrating frontier models
Full episode on YT, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts below:
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