Get me $5m in funding and 6months. I'll have 40x20 VMC that outprices and outperforms VF2.
$15m more and 18 months and I'll have software package you want.
This is gonna be a long one. All sources are me™*
I have much respect for Gene Haas. @elonmusk is the Gene Haas of EVs & Rockets (because Gene was first). He is responsible for bringing low cost good performance machines to the masses.
He cut out all the bullshit of the big OEMs and cut out the dealers (mostly). He also came up with feature based pricing before Elon; pay to unlock HSM vs pay to unlock FSD. He also is very big on vertical integration. Neither Gene or Elon had any intention of making others rich from their hard work, they do it all in house. Which is why Haas has their own control.
This is very important because to be an MTB you need to pick which of the many C's you want to work with. In order of difficulty:
Controls, Castings, Components, Capability.
The last company to have all 4 C's was Bridgeport. Now there is no one.
Only few countries posses all 4:
Japan, Germany, Taiwan, China, and just barely making the list is Spain & USA.
Haas has Controls and Capability. Their castings are sourced from India mostly. I know Haas sources spindles from HSD and others, so I can't say for certain if they meet the Components criteria.
Milltronics, Hurco & FANUC also posses Controls and Capability (FANUC doesn't make spindles, thus nay on Components).
All the big boys; DMG , Mazak, Doosan, Okuma etc., have Castings, Components, Capability.
Most new MTBs start at the end and work their way up, i.e. Tormach & Datron.
You'd be crazy to start at the front: Controls.
If you did and you were successful you will have serious moat... only if you sold the machine with the controls.
If you try and sell only the control, I'd probably bet against you. Short answer is no one ever got fired for spec'ing FANUC.
Thus you need to sell the whole product; the machine.
For that you need to know:
Taiwan is the biggest machine tool builder. China is second, the axis powers combined are 3rd. India is 4th.
Everyone else competes on retail & value added level, and will never compete on throughput.
You'll be doing the same; competing at retail & value, but you'll have an edge, your modern control.
But how? who will be your customer base? or better yet who will be your competition?
The Germans, Austrians, Italians, Spanish have the niche machine market cornered. Think Kern, Droop Rein, WFL. Competing with them is crazy, because its low volume, high margin.
DMG, DN S, Mazak, Haas compete on the high volume. With Haas being the odd one out, you know why.
The money is in high volume production. The world years for low cost VMCs and slantbeds.
But these already exist... that's literally what Taiwan/China make every day. You aren't going to compete with them, considering they will be your suppliers for the other C's!
So finally we can realize the oblivious answer all along was, Controls, coupled with Retail & Value.
As I said, China/Taiwan/India make cheap good quality machines, by they time they land on the dealers floor, their price is stupid high for nothing of value added.
But I know a lot of machine shops who'd be ready to buy a machine for the same price as all the others, if it simply worked better than the others. I'll explain that in another thread sometime.
p.s. for the record, a Bridgeport VMC760 from late 90s had the exact performance spec as a modern Haas VF2.
1,220ipm rapids & 400ipm feed on a boxway in 1997! Also it had a DOS based control (DX-32), which is super easy to use with a standard PS/2 keyboard in 1997!
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18 Sep 2023
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24 Jul 2023
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9 Feb 2023
“On behalf of Morpeth RFC U11s we would like to say a massive thank you to BoxWay for our new playing shirts.
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ALT We were delighted to hear from Morpeth RFC U11s after their matches at the weekend. “On behalf of Morpeth RFC U11s we would like to say a massive thank you to BoxWay for our new playing shirts. We took on 2 rival teams at the weekend, Alnwick and Tynedale, we came away with a draw and a win thanks to our new lucky shirts!” We are pleased to be able to support local grassroots sports teams. Development of individuals’ talents and confidence is something we encourage on and off the pitch. The mental and physical health benefits are tremendous and you never know, one of them might be the next Jonny Wilkinson, or the next corrugated packaging designer!
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8 Dec 2022
BoxWay Packaging creates new direct-to-consumer delivery box with @ButlersCheese
The crash lock base helped enable swift construction of the pack and customers are enticed with an inviting message to open the box with a peel and seal tape.
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ALT New direct-to-consumer delivery box
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The Vturn A200 CNC Lathe featuring;
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28 Sep 2022
PONTAX Vertical Machine Center - Boxway VMC1580.
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5 Sep 2022
BoxWay Packaging Group is currently recruiting for the following position within our Exeter corrugated packaging plant : QHSE Manager
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ALT BoxWay Packaging Group is currently recruiting for the following position within our Exeter corrugated packaging plant : QHSE Manager If you would like to find out more, please get in touch.
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3 Aug 2022
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26 Jul 2022
Announcement time!
Introducing ColourWay, a part of the #BoxWay group.
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ALT ColourWay. A part of the BoxWay Group. Digital printing Service. Please get in touch if you would like to know how we can help your brand grow.
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25 Jul 2022
Local charity @Scrapstorexeter is delighted to continue receiving donations of cardboard offcuts from BoxWay’s Sowton factory.
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22 Jun 2022
We are proud to be investing in our people here at BoxWay. Congratulations to Jo McCleave, in her new role as Business Development Manager, Telford! Read the blog post here:
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17 May 2022
BoxWay announces next stage of its strategic investment plan to meet customer needs
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24 Jun 2021
Read news in @printweek about the newly-established BoxWay Packaging Group headed up by a packaging industry veteran.
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16 Jun 2021
Daniel Brunton got to the chance to chat with Andrew Woollard, CEO of the newly formed BoxWay Packaging Group . They chat about the business model as well as a looking at the issues facing UK sheet plant owners right now. Sit back, relax and enjoy!
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