The funny thing about the IQ discourse going around the right now from the entire spectrum, regardless of who and what side, is the only “empirically objective and absolute fact” humans sincerely know and can be certain of as it relates to human intelligence that has the highest probability and potential of withstanding even the next 5-10 years to the highest degree of certainty is very simple and easy to understand.
Which is that human society has made significantly more progress and confidently knows/ understands abundantly more information with higher levels of absolutes and certainties on quantum mechanics/ physics (and quantum beyond) over the last 50 years than anything we have even touched or scraped the surface on when it comes to human intelligence during the same time period.
(The comparison will make sense to those who know how much we know that we’re are absolutely certain on to the highest degrees of confidence on what we “know and understand to be absolutely and empirically true” about quantum anything will understand the underlying light sarcasm/joke/quip lol)
I said *some* liberals exhibit motivated reasoning *around IQ,* ironically because it flatters their self-image as rational, dispassionate empiricists, dunking on hysterical, emotional leftists.
To which Jesse responds, snidely, ‘oh, the hysterical leftists thinks *we’re* irrational? Hah!’
Of course this supports my exact point; I made a specific claim about what I believe motivates *some* liberal pundits to hold incorrect beliefs *about IQ and heredity* specifically. I actually made no claim as to a *general epistemic character* of liberals, or of leftists, and I didn’t position leftists as resolutely empiric and skeptical (anyone who follows me knows I would never do this; I am constantly haranguing my fellow leftists for insufficient empiricism).
But instead of disagreeing with the specific claims I made—even snidely or rudely, that would be fine—Jesse *substitutes* for different claims entirely. Ones I didn’t make. He ridicules the premise that a leftist could ever criticize liberals for insufficient empiricism, an excess of ideological/social pressure, etc. He’s turning it from a debate about a specific issue into a debate about generalized archetypes. Liberals are correct because they are liberals. Leftists are incorrect because they are leftists.
An individual leftist critiquing certain liberals on grounds of insufficient empiricism is facially absurd, to Jesse, because the categories don’t match. The liberal category/archetype is the rational one, and the leftist category/archetype is the emotional one. These archetypes override the individual case.
Ironically, this is exactly what I’m critiquing—that a certain kind of liberal pundit, like Jesse here, is so convinced by this archetypical dynamic (the rationalist lib debunking the hysterical leftist), this kind of moralized narrative, that they let themselves sometimes be seduced into empirically wrong positions when it flatters this self-image. When it confirms the archetype and the stock narrative.
If emotional leftists refuse to engage with IQ arguments empirically and try to shut it down with taboo, then the liberal can come in and fulfill their archetypal role as the dispassionate nerd. The narrative fits expectations. Therefore, the hereditarian position must be correct—because it fits the liberal’s mental model of lib-left disagreement, and their self-image as defenders of rationality against moralism and ideology.
Of course, this is not *actually* an empirical basis for belief. It’s just negative polarization.