Howard Lutnick Lied Under Oath Podcast claim (2025):
“I met him once in 2005… my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again.” Under oath - what he actually admitted: Page 9-10
“My second interaction occurred 6 years later, in 2011… It was about scaffolding. It was meaningless and inconsequential.” Page 10
“Next, some 18 months later, in late 2012… My family of six and another family of six had a brief, meaningless, and inconsequential lunch [on Epstein’s private island] and then left.” Page 61
Q: “Why would you then go to his island with your family?”
Lutnick: “I don’t know. I don’t know.” Page 63 (Ansari pressing)
Ansari: “In 2008 Epstein was convicted as a child sex trafficker… Then in 2012 you went to the island with your wife…”
Lutnick: “I don’t remember him registering as a sex offender.” Page 64
Ansari: “You knew he had solicited a minor.”
Lutnick: “I don’t know that.” Page 66
Pressed on his podcast words:
“You said you would never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again… But you were okay with your wife and family being in a room with him?” Page 46-47
Lutnick: “I was never in the room with him socially… I was with him with my wife and family for lunch on the island in 2012… but I was never in a social situation with him.” Page 53-54
Q: “Have folks felt misled by your podcast remark?”
Lutnick: “It was not misleading, no. … it is clear from the words that I was accurate.” Page 61
On how Epstein’s staff knew his exact family vacation plans:
Lutnick: “I still have no idea… It is inexplicable and unsettling.” Page 79
Q: “Did you ever discuss the 2008 plea with Epstein?”
Lutnick: “I did not.” Page 85
On the island lunch with his kids:
Lutnick: “I recall it basically as inconsequential, meaning nothing.” Page 64
Lutnick: “He became famous in 2019. I didn’t know him to be famous before this.” He went from “never again” after one 2005 meeting → three documented meetings, including bringing his children to Epstein’s island in 2012… while claiming under oath he doesn’t remember why and didn’t know Epstein was a convicted sex offender. The transcript proves he lied multiple times under oath.