For example, to prove my point, I opened the podcast (
open.spotify.com/episode/3DQ…) and skipped forward to a random location, around 37 minutes into the thing (I can't bear to watch all 3 hours and debunk point by point).
At this point, he's talking about a "Lazarus Report" that said 1 in 37 people had an adverse reaction to vaccine. I'm pretty sure he means this:
digital.ahrq.gov/sites/defau…
This is the sort of things that live, I can't rebut, but written, I can.
I googled, I found the thing, I read the thing. It doesn't say what RFK claims it says.
The way VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) works is that you should report any event after a vaccine that happens 30 days after. This includes things that couldn't possibly by related to the vaccine, such as a pedestrian getting hit by a car.
This floods VAERS with garbage, where 99.9% of the reports have nothing to do with vaccines, because on average, within 30 days, things happen to people.
In other words, 1-in-37 is the same chance that in the next 37 months, you'll have one of the 890 conditions that VAERS wants reported: falling down the stairs, getting a cold, severe headache, ingrown toenail, and so forth. This is normal.
If you get a placebo vaccine instead of a real one, there's a 1-in-37 chance in the month after you'll have some event that VAERS wants reported.
The point of VAERS isn't the absolute numbers but relative numbers. There's a spike in the number of people getting ingrown toenails after a new measles vaccines, something so totally unexpected, this system will help find it.
During the pandemic, lazy doctors who did a poor job reporting to VAERS suddenly got diligent, and the number of VAERS reports shot through the roof -- including all 890 categories, including getting hit by a car. It didn't mean covid caused anything, because almost all 890 categories went up mostly equally. It's how we know myocarditis was actually a problem, because those reports went up more than the rest.
The point is that you really can't debate this sort of thing live. I'd never heard of the "Lazarus Study" before, though I have researched VAERS thoroughly, so I wouldn't be able to debunk it. Conversely, RFK just brings it up out of nowhere and misrepresents it. Moreover, the RFK/Rogan audience have such low levels of education, they simply can't follow the complex explanation debunking it.
You can't live debate crazies. It just won't work.