Also it doesn’t really mean anything.
What is classed as a handout vs a handup?
Supporting ppl thru pensions, universal credit, and disability benefits if they’ve been assessed as entitled to these things is already a “handup”
Carns is asked where the extra £ for defence should come from.
".. I think there are places, such as moving welfare from hand outs to hand ups"
Describing welfare as hand outs tells us all about Carns politics & who he wants to target - the sick, disabled, low paid, pensioners