A conversation with Ed Catmull, founder of Pixar. I've been making podcasts about Ed for over 8 years. He invited me to his home and told incredible stories from his 60 year career. Ed worked with Steve Jobs longer than anyone else — for more than a quarter century. We talked about what he learned from Steve, the founding of Pixar, building a company at the intersection of art and technology, why getting the team right is the necessary precursor to getting the idea right, and so much more. Ed is full of hard-earned practical wisdom. Spending time with someone I’ve studied for almost a decade was awesome. I hope you listen. 0:00 Most Companies Are Full Of Shit 4:28 The Brain Trust Mechanism 10:13 Why Steve Jobs Was Banned From The Braintrust 17:48 Your Job Is To Manage The Dynamics 23:27 Betting The Company On Toy Story 24:35 Engineering Eisner's Worst Nightmare 36:51 Bob Iger's Crappy Hand 38:44 Why Disney Never Asked What Pixar Was Doing 43:48 Take The Hard Problem 44:38 The Director Can't Lose The Team 48:48 Quality Is The Best Business Plan 52:32 What Walt Disney Taught Him 59:25 George Lucas And The Motion Blur Problem 1:08:48 Now What's The Point Of My Life 1:13:31 How Much Of This Was Me 1:16:10 George Lucas Wanted The Whole Industry Healthy 1:25:11 Refusing To Let Anyone Feel Second Class 1:32:38 The Truck In The Building Includes paid partnerships.