every orthodox debater will learn the same lesson as Jay Dyer at some point. debate, specifically in areas of theology, is for genuine, good faith people seeking truth. coming onto the online debate sphere unprepared to encounter the opposite proves one of the reasons why jay retired. you cannot debate liars just like you cannot water dead seeds. in order for the seed to sprout, it had needed good soil to grow roots so that the foundation prospers. but because it did not have good soil, it has no foundation to grow. it is a fools endeavor. leave the teaching to the Church. the best thing we can do is simply invite them in. many simply wont ever show, but the ones who are genuine will, pray for it.

If the Body of Christ is alive, then the saints are alive. If the saints are alive, they can pray. If they can pray, asking them to pray is not idolatry. The Protestant objection only works if death is stronger than union with Christ.

Sola Scriptura fails historically because the apostles never taught that scripture alone would be the sole authority for the Church, nor does the Bible ever say this about itself. The canon of the New Testament was recognized and preserved by the historic Church, meaning you must already trust Church authority before you can even know what scripture is. Christianity functioned for centuries through apostolic tradition, bishops, councils and liturgical worship before the New Testament was fully compiled. The endless fragmentation of Protestantism into contradictory denominations all claiming “the Bible alone” is the natural result of removing the authority and continuity of the historic Church. Your welcome

@C2Antiquity @Alex_Ortodoxie @JayDyer @RealBenMichael If u guys want more proof of how damaging this churchless, ecumenist stuff is, look further into Young don’s christian arc. Guys like JP, Ruslan, mauler, radar, and all these idiots had Don so confused on what to believe, he switched denominations like 7 times. LITERALLY GOT CIRCUMCISED AS AN ADULT Landed at an anti trinitarian church cult for like 8 months where he lived in a secluded hut with his 2 children and wife, and tried to live like some sort of monk. By the time he landed on orthodoxy like 2 years later, he was already so mislead and turned off by everything else, he completely lost his faith. And is now a left wing political commentator that hates Christianity.

Bob, the ecumenical councils you’re referring to were held by a singular, visible, institutional Church (Orthodox/Catholic when they were united). Your ecumenism assumes a lowest common denominator Christianity that can exist in many forms across any number of groups as long as they hold to some sort of amorphous set of core doctrines. That is your implicit position and the position of the people @JayDyer is at odds with. His point is that no one believed this prior to the 1500’s when the Reformers had the audacity to take it upon themselves to redefine what the Church and Christianity are, something no one has the right to do. Any sect outside of the singular institutional Church was considered schismatic and not actually Christian, and that is still the case, as harsh as that sounds. What everyone calls denominations nowadays are either heretical or heterodox sects and cannot be called Christian in the true, original sense of the word. Now, the issue between the Catholics and Orthodox about who is in schism adds complexity, but Protestants and their thousands of offshoots are eliminated by default as they have no claim to the title of true Church whatsoever based on the mountains of evidence we have about what the Church’s own self-understanding was in the first thousand years, including the Bible itself. So there can be no “Let’s put our petty doctrinal and ecclesial differences aside and work together because we’re ultimately all Christians because we just love Jesus and that’s really all that matters” ecumenism. That is what you are all pushing. That’s the default mindset for modern Western “Christians”, but that is fundamentally at odds with the original Christian mindset which is still held and lived out by the Orthodox Church. This is all actually quite obvious from even a plain reading of history, but people just don’t want to accept it for all sorts of reasons.

another crash out when will these people learn? you cant go against scripture and say it says what you believe its the opposite obey the scriptures they quoted nicodemus as if baptism wasnt required yet when i quote romans 6:3-4 they lose their minds and try to dismiss baptism as "water ritual" and claim it doesnt save you when the scriptures says otherwise, its disobedience and pride for these rebellious people. they worship their own ego.

these past three conversations ive been blocked every time when i challenge the unsupported claims about scripture. these people cant deal with reality, they crash out and run from studied intellectuals if you make a claim about scripture and its not supported by scripture then you cant say you get it from the bible. its dishonest and shows that the only reason these people hold on to their false ideologies is pure pride and vanity. its not hard to understand the optics when it comes with someone's interpretation being different than the consensus of the whole church. sola fide, sola scriptura, none of these traditions mean the same thing you practice now. martin luther venerated mary no prot does that today yet they stick to the solas like its a lifeline they lack understanding, nuance and context of the very books they claim to be the "final authority" and the people they claim to follow same time condemn anyone who doesnt agree with them going so far as making dangerously similar arguments that Muslims make. online Christianity needs some serious help from the Church its much worse than i thought previously...

i invite you to do as 1 John 4:1 says "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." that is how i found holy orthodoxy, i pass no judgement, only ask that you walk in my shoes and see for yourselves. i came from small town baptist/pentacostal/non denom origins, i was a soldier, believing i was doing Gods work overseas when i came face to face with God on a mountain, born again by fire, believing i was dead. i cried out to the Lord to save me. since then i was a wanderer, thirsty and broken searching and seeking direction from God many years, eventually i was led by the Holy Spirit into the Church. ive beeen to many houses, ive lived and learned by example, and at times found the devil looking for things i thought were Christ, misguided and misled by my own folly. i thank God i have found holy orthodoxy, war almost destroyed me, but thanks to my priest, my parish and most importantly the grace of God i have found a renewed faith, eager again to seek and know Christ in all the ways i rejected Him long ago. i am a catachumen now, i have learned the gospel again through the prayers and liturgy of the parish, i was shown that the first thing is to examine yourself, to look inward and see yourself for what you really are. i had so much contempt and hatred against God i had denied and repressed for a long time. i used to have pride thinking i didnt need church, that most of where i attended, this or that church, nobody knew bible more than me, i was raised by a pentacostal pastor, i knew the scriptures by heart, but orthodoxy showed me i had wasted that knowledge by denying the fruits of the labor set before me, i had not lived the life i professed, no defense of self rightousness justified all the good things i thought i was, when in reality my faith, although hopeful, was only proving to myself that the deeds of faith appropriate the hope of faith. when i cried out to the Lord, i saw that this act produced the seed that gave life in me. acting on that faith, like a good soldier, i knew i had to be in full obedience, following every direct order from the Holy Spirit, that eventually led me from the mountain and into the spring where i rest. i hope you take what good can come from my story and edify God in your own lives

Psalms 62:1-2 HCSB [1] I am at rest in God alone; my salvation comes from Him. [2] He alone is my rock and my salvation, my stronghold; I will never be shaken. bible.com/bible/72/psa.62.1-…

In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, 6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”[a] 7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. 12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13 “Make level paths for your feet,”[b] so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

Scripture establishes that the authority to teach does not belong to every individual's private interpretation, but is a specific office and "gift" given to the leaders of the Church to protect the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15: Paul calls the church "the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and buttress of the truth". Ephesians 4:11-12: "And he gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry". 1 Corinthians 12:28: "And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers..." When Paul outlines the requirements for bishops and elders (the precursors to the Church Fathers), he explicitly includes the authority and ability to teach 1 Timothy 3:2: An overseer (bishop) must be "...able to teach". Titus 1:9: An elder must "hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it". For the Orthodox, this means the Church (through its Fathers) is the reliable guardian that holds the truth up for all to see. so its not up to the unread or unlived in the faith, especially the unrepentant who twist what is holy in order to do evil our priests and clergy are actively working to pray for us and guide us in unity. of course no one is perfect, we all fall, but there are those who are truly humble enough to lead by example in the smallest of ways, practicing humility and virtuous endeavors through prayer, caring for the sick, fasting and other good works to inspire others to repentant humble contriteness. we should honor Christ by honoring His Church and having faith that the Holy Spirit will preserve us until the very end of the age.

In the Gospel of John, "Logos" (Word) refers directly to Jesus Christ as the divine, incarnate Word of God. John 1:1 and 1:14 explain that the Logos was with God, was God, and became flesh. in John's prologue it specifically signifies Jesus as the embodiment of God's revelation. The greek term Logos identifies Jesus as the agent of creation, the divine reason, and the personal revelation of God. It connects with Greek philosophy (universal principle) and Jewish thought (Wisdom/Word of God) to show Jesus is the ultimate reality. While the Bible (before its canonization) contains the "word of God" (the Law and the Prophets and Psalms), Jesus is the Logos (the personified message/revelation). John uses this term to introduce Jesus as the divine Son of God who took on human form.

Scripture instructs the faithful to follow the teaching and guidance of their spiritual leaders, which would be impossible if those leaders did not have the authority to teach correctly. Hebrews 13:7: "Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith". Hebrews 13:17: "Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account" The Bible warns that individuals cannot simply interpret Scripture on their own authority, as this leads to error. 2 Peter 1:20-21: "...no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation". Acts 8:30-31: When Philip asks the Ethiopian eunuch if he understands what he is reading, the eunuch replies, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" This demonstrates the biblical necessity of an authorized teacher (like a Church Father) to explain the text. which supports the idea of their being a "normative authority" which scripture tells us in Matthew 18:15-17 telling you who are in disagreement with one another to go to the church. why should anyone of us dare repudiate what was ordained from the day of Pentacost?

I grew up Protestant so it rattles me to say this: Between whatever this is, alien disclosures, the prosperity gospel, zionism, women dressed immodestly at services, rainbow pastors, cultists and more, it's clear American churches are little more than a Satanic psy-op.

Alex Jones starts crying after Trump covers up Epstein’s client list

This dude’s a hero