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Though we debate aspects of being in Christ, think we can all agree: if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature [having been] created in Christ Jesus to do good works [which we do with] our liberty which we have in Christ [so we] do not turn [our] freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another
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Dead Heroes Don't Save retweeted
Theology 101: For people who point out that Jesus was never married, I want to point out that he’s had the most high-maintenance bride in human history for almost 2000 years.
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Does this confirm what Arminians have been saying, that the gospel offer to the reprobate is impossible and deceptive?
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The gospel offer is impossible and deceptive if unconditional election is not true.
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Fear not if something in the backroom turns out to be a creature from above The doctrine of the Incarnation would conflict with what we know of this vast universe only if we knew also that there were other rational species in it who had, like us, fallen, and who needed redemption in the same mode, and that they had not been vouchsafed it. But we know none of these things. It may be full of life that needs no redemption. It may be full of life that has been redeemed. It may be full of things quite other than life which satisfy the Divine Wisdom in fashions one cannot conceive. - CS Lewis
Steven Spielberg says his new movie, Disclosure Day, about aliens will have Christians and people of faith second-guessing their own religion. Spielberg says the movie will take the position of the Church. "Is God our God only on this planet, or is God a God for every system where there's civilization?" "That would mess up a lot of people."
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Given that the agent settling to a choice (or volition) is an act of the Will Under compatibilism consider: 1) The act of willing is necessitated by the strongest motive to a single act (Edwards) 2) External factors include the environment, physical laws, initial conditions of the universe. Internal factors include genetics, emotion, goals, experiences, character 3) All the elements of the choice including the agent's weighting of motives and options is already fixed by antecedents (internal and external) before the agent begins an act of the will (determinism) 4) All the antecedents involved in (2) are already fixed by antecedents (internal and external) recursively (determinism) 5) The act of willing itself adds no new originating power. It simply registers what the prior factors have already determined to be decisive (from 1 & 3) 6) Genuine alternative possibilities prior to and at the point of settling are eliminated (from 3, 4 & 5) 7) The agent’s activity of settling to a choice is nothing more than the necessary effect of antecedents in which the agent is making an internal endorsement of a fixed result that could not be otherwise This is what agent as settler status reduces to in compatibilism. Let the reader judge if that is an adequate description of genuine agency
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Been a good discussion with @PhilosopherJoeC and worked out a new premise 1 x.com/i/status/2064459513650…

Replying to @PhilosopherJoeC
Would this be better? (1) At the moment the act of willing occurs, it is conditionally necessitated by the strongest motive directing the agent toward a single act (Edwards)
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We've been over LFW thought I'd give a look at compatibilism and see what you thought @Pastor_ChrisH Also @ReformedCaio would be curious which premises you'd accept or reject Also would like your thoughts @theo_bruv and @Mindtrap028
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Should have included @OzMarquezz for any thoughts.
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most of us assume as we read that we also understand what we read. We also tend to think that our understanding is the same thing as the Holy Spirit’s or human author’s intent. However, we invariably bring to the text all that we are ... Sometimes what we bring to the text ... leads us astray, or else causes us to read all kinds of foreign ideas into the text. - Gordon Fee
I think the Bible is the most poignant example of a book that people say 'this isn't my view, it's just what it clearly says'. Have some humility and acknowledge that it's your view or the view that you accept about what the Bible says/means on a doctrinal issue.
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Dead Heroes Don't Save retweeted
Theology 101: Reminderβ€”β€œchurch history” is NOT β€œthe study of how everybody throughout history misinterpreted the Bible until we came along.”
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Which is a Will worth wanting? One that is self-determined by the agent with genuine openness (can be otherwise) until settling on a choice - or - One that isn't self-determined and can't be otherwise because the choice is a certain effect of the strongest motive which is the certain effect of some other cause, that isn't in the Will, which is the certain effect of some other cause which is also a certain effect. And so on
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A doctrinal scheme may be framed with a set of definitions dovetailed into each other with so exact a mutual fit, that the very coherency & structural exactness of the system of terms may seem to demonstrate the truth & solidity of the doctrine. Yet ... an essential idea may be so excluded ... that the doctrine may be imperfect or false - Whedon
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Apparently Whedon is a fan of Feynman's Razor "there is no truer test of a definition than this that it reproduces in the mind the clear and precise idea for which the term stands ... even in the minds of children, [then it] is a real perfection"
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LFW is YOUR controlled comparative choice (volition) where you have a power to deliberate over competing affections, influences, goals to fix a settled intention & motive in a set of circumstances That is self-determination That is what gives us freedom to and from an act That is the moment where things could be otherwise
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Core issue 1: The luck/randomness problem. If a choice is truly undetermined (not fixed by prior causes, motives, character, or divine decree), then what tips the scale between A and B? It starts looking like chance, not your controlled choice. How do you get responsibility from luck?
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Whedon does a far better job of defining terms and laying out a case for Liberty than Edwards x.com/i/status/2059677387588…

The Will is the volitional [pluri-efficient] power by which alone the soul consciously becomes the intentional author of external action - external that is, to the Will itself - Whedon
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Now that's a free will worth wanting...
Though an inanimate object, when exempted from supposable impediments would always be called free, not so a living agent. ... To the freedom of a living agent, therefore, the twofold power is requisite; the power TO the act and the power FROM the act. - Whedon
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God hating Esau is not ordaining him to eternal damnation as a reprobate. It is His choice/preference to use Jacob as the one through whom the promises to Abraham would come That's part of Paul's argument that God can include Gentiles and exclude Jews who don't accept Christ
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β€œBut since this cannot be denied, the thing which the prophet says about the hatred of God toward Esau is not to be understood absolutely, as if it were a total and sheerly hostile hatred β€” as though Christ (and that without any regard to Esau’s sins, before he had done either good or evil) had shown him no grace and given him nothing good β€” but only comparatively, in relation to Jacob, toward whom He showed far greater love and grace, and whom He preferred before the firstborn Esau out of His free love; especially in that He chose him as the heir of the promised land (which was a type of the heavenly inheritance), and thus also as the heir of the covenant in the promised Seed, who was to be born from him and not from Esau.” β€”Johannes Bergius, The Will of God Concerning the Salvation of All Men
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We can't even be sure Esau will not be in the kingdom The narrative in Genesis shows him as having forgiven Jacob running to welcome and embrace him upon his return x.com/i/status/2055353121212…

When the author of Hebrews says Esau was immoral he uses the word Ο€ΟŒΟΞ½ΞΏΟ‚. That can often refer to sexual immorality but here seems to be a metaphor for the worldliness of Esau who "sold his own birthright for aΒ singleΒ meal". It also fits what we find in Genesis
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Though an inanimate object, when exempted from supposable impediments would always be called free, not so a living agent. ... To the freedom of a living agent, therefore, the twofold power is requisite; the power TO the act and the power FROM the act. - Whedon
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A categorical ability suggests that in a moment of decision we have the freedom and power TO act AND the freedom and power FROM the act. That is only possible when there is an alternative power in the Will (pluripotent/simultaneity of potencies) Edwards requires only an ability TO perform the act, not an ability FROM the act in that moment. There is no ability to diversify the act
No one is so unwise as to deny that the Will can act differently in different cases - Whedon Basically we all affirm a conditional ability where we would have done otherwise if things had been otherwise But even a clock hammer can strike otherwise if it were under different circumstances
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